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Public school after getting fired from a hagwon?

 
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HymanKaplan



Joined: 14 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Public school after getting fired from a hagwon? Reply with quote

So I got fired from a hagwon for being too boring. I'm actually quite happy with the way things worked out. I get my 30 day's severance, and I'm going to look for a job teaching adults, which I know I can do and do well.

On the other hand, if I can't find a job that I like elsewhere... (I'm going to try Turkey, Georgia, or any country that speaks Arabic.) Well I didn't like Daegu, but I like teaching children despite how difficult it can be, and I love Busan.

I feel like I've improved a lot, and the vast majority of my students liked me by the end. I really get the impression that the most important reason I was fired is because they're cutting staff soon, and would rather renew the contract of the school's most popular teacher, whose contract ends soon. But regardless I was still officially fired for "endangering the school's reputation," and that's what the hagwon would tell anyone who asked.

Some people suggested elsewhere that I might look for a job in the public schools, where boring a few students isn't as important. Is this actually possible, once I've been fired here, for the reasons stated? Can I make EPIK in Busan my plan C?

Thanks,
HK
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the hell not?

Everyone knows hagwons have ridiculous hiring and firing practices. But it's probably best if you don't mention the whole thing in future.

Just apply for EPIK and see what happens......
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ED209



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were you on good terms with any of the other teachers at the hagwon? If so, use them as references rather than your old boss. Try not to complain too much about your old hagwon in any interview, this will give the wrong impression. Public schools know what hagwons are like, so be brief and to the point about why you left. EPIK will want to know about what a good teacher you are, not how good you are at complaining about higher ups.
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HymanKaplan



Joined: 14 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ED209
Thanks, that might not be a bad idea. Should I use one of the nicer Korean teachers I shared a class with, one of the Korean teachers I seemed on especially good terms with (but didn't share a class with), or one of the foreign teachers (none of whom observed me teaching)?

eamo wrote:
Why the hell not?

Everyone knows hagwons have ridiculous hiring and firing practices. But it's probably best if you don't mention the whole thing in future.

Just apply for EPIK and see what happens......

Doesn't the EPIK form require you to list all previous residences? And wouldn't my residence in Daegu require me to list the teaching experience? They're certain to ask.

Thanks,
HK
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TellyRules986



Joined: 09 Nov 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reference checker worth their salt will want the phone number to the school, and talk to anyone who might have known you. So if the person who answers the phone knows you and has worked with you, they can still ask them questions. Never mind the Korea is all about hierarchy, so they'll want to talk to the boss too. So don't think that because you put down a specific name that they're unwilling to talk to anyone else, or only want to talk to that person even though they're not key decision makers. Just fyi.

I would apply but not mention the job if you can get away with it. You could cancel the visa, but I don't know if EPIK looks to see about previous visas in Korea.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Public school after getting fired from a hagwon? Reply with quote

HymanKaplan wrote:
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t. Is this actually possible, once I've been fired here, for the reasons stated? Can I make EPIK in Busan my plan C?

Thanks,
HK


It's possible. But you will need all your documents again (apostilled copy of degree and an original criminal background check (also notarized).

Plus you will require two reference letters (either from professors at your university or Korean employers). These letters must be sealed and stamped by said reference.

Hakwons don't require these letters but public schools do.

Plus any other documentation that they require....I had to fill out a 17 page application form with pretty much my total life history and that was just one of the things they wanted. And yes on that form they do ask about previous jobs in Korea. And the form clearly states that if you lie they can fire you.

Bottom line: If a public school really wants to know...they have the resources and contacts to find out. Granted many don't bother as they just want a warm body to put in the classroom.
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