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Racist or Reasonable?
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Racist or Reasonable?
Racist
19%
 19%  [ 4 ]
Reasonable
57%
 57%  [ 12 ]
Other?
23%
 23%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 21

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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Racist or Reasonable? Reply with quote

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Brendan Baird is studying to become a physician�s assistant; a $500 academic scholarship will help pay the way. He had to demonstrate things like a high GPA, community service, and financial need. But what sealed the deal is the fact that that he�s a white man.

Says Baird, �If anyone wants to say it�s an issue of color, it�s the color of green. And we all need it.�

The award was presented by a nonprofit called the Former Majority Association for Equality. Its president, Colby Bohannon, says he�s been called a racist, akin to the KKK.

Says Bohannon, �We�re not racists. We have no agenda for bigotry. We�re not trying to take away anything from any other group. We�re just trying to help poor, Caucasian males afford college.�

The group�s vice-president [Marcus Carter] is black. There are also two women, and an Hispanic man on the board. Says Carter, �Right now everybody else has their own specific scholarship � for minorities, left-handed people, people who like the color green, or people who like Star Wars. I don�t feel that animosity toward helping this group, in with everyone else.�

But is a white-male scholarship necessary? Skeptics say while there are funding programs geared toward specific races or genders, many others are need-based and color-blind. One of the state�s biggest, the Texas Grant Program, has no gender nor race factor, and it�s geared toward low-income students. Over the past decade, the program has spent about $2 billion on 310,000 students.

Bohannan, meanwhile, says he plans to expand his scholarship program to $25,000 for another 5,000 while males who may need them.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about just plain stupid? The reason the minority scholarships exist is that there is past, and present discrimination, towards them and it helps level the playing field. While there is reason to believe that in the future that this might not be so, and it has decreased, it's still important when the proportions of minority groups living in poverty is still higher than the national average. Most scholarships are race blind so it's not like there is a huge void to fill here. Also, the name is dumb, Former Majority Association for Equality, former, yeah right. The amount of the award, $500, is almost negligible in terms of affording college. This is just a bunch of people trying to make some kind of point and spending an easy $500 to feel self righteous.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reminds me of that all-white basketball league planned for last year. Remember that one?

Only players that are natural born United States citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league," the statement said.
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2010/01/19/nba_563760.shtml

Out-numbered by women in college, bossed around by wives at home, can't lynch darkies anymore, can't beat up the fags, women and gays on the battlefield; life was a lot easier for white men back in the old days when we could just assume we were superior and had the power of the state to enforce it.

I feel a little bit sorry for the white men that can't compete in a fairer society. I don't entirely blame them for feeling like victims. It's easier to play the victim than to actually work harder.
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stilicho25



Joined: 05 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its reasonable. It is clear to me that a white underclass is developing pretty quickly. It seems like it is formerly working class whites in rural areas hit hard by meth and the continuing financial crises. Lots of single moms, crappy schools, very few employment opportunities, drugs, all the elements necessary to produce badly adjusted people on a large scale.

Yata, are you completely unable to talk about anything without resorting to nasty ad-homs or boilerplate rhetoric? lynching? wife beating? Seriously, why not throw a few Hitler quips in there as well?
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recessiontime



Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

minority scholarships are deficient, namely because they don't take into account how much money the ethnic minority has. There might be an African American scholarship that goes toward a wealthy son of African Americans instead of the truly disadvantaged poverty stricken black person. Maybe if these things targeted individuals, not groups, we might see a better outcome.
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rambler



Joined: 18 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One vote for really stupid. Except on the part of the dude who collected the $500.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
How about just plain stupid? The reason the minority scholarships exist is that there is past, and present discrimination, towards them and it helps level the playing field.


That's the justification for affirmative action.

Scholarships exist for a variety of reasons. Scholarships from private sources shoud largely be allowed to promote whoever they want.

I would prefer strictly need-based and perhaps academic-based criteria, though.
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travel zen



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive posts. Cool
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yata, are you completely unable to talk about anything without resorting to nasty ad-homs or boilerplate rhetoric? lynching? wife beating? Seriously, why not throw a few Hitler quips in there as well?


'Former Majority Association for Equality' does not drip with victimhood? Really? At what point did the majority become a minority? Now if the name had been Future Former Majority etc...

Besides the willfully inaccurate name, are you saying it is wrong to bring up recent historical realities--particularly in a state with a governor who openly said secession may become 'necessary', women's health issues are under attack in state after state, the Supreme Court is rolling back a century of findings to pre-1907 conditions, major national politicians are questioning the Civil Rights Act...?
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soupsandwich



Joined: 20 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey.....as long as it is nothing personal, why not?
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visitorq



Joined: 11 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Yata, are you completely unable to talk about anything without resorting to nasty ad-homs or boilerplate rhetoric? lynching? wife beating? Seriously, why not throw a few Hitler quips in there as well?


'Former Majority Association for Equality' does not drip with victimhood? Really? At what point did the majority become a minority? Now if the name had been Future Former Majority etc...

Besides the willfully inaccurate name, are you saying it is wrong to bring up recent historical realities--particularly in a state with a governor who openly said secession may become 'necessary', women's health issues are under attack in state after state, the Supreme Court is rolling back a century of findings to pre-1907 conditions, major national politicians are questioning the Civil Rights Act...?

Ya-ta boy likes to inject race into every issue - because he's a racist. Simple as that.
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stilicho25



Joined: 05 Apr 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Economic conditions aren't all that great, and states are making federalist noises. I don't see that as the same thing as lynching, beating your wife and taking us back to the middle ages.

As for questioning civil rights, it really depends on what in particular they are critical of. If its the moral goals I would say they were neanderthals. If its the execution of those moral goes into practical policy they would have a point. The underclass is still huge and predominantly minority. If policies do not have the effect desired, then change the policy.
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soupsandwich



Joined: 20 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ya-ta boy likes to inject race into every issue - because he's a racist. Simple as that.



Damm ya-ta-boy......you need sunscreen with a higher UV protection.....you are burned like a lobster....go easy, man.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to see more money based solely on need. This would cover some minorities (the poorer minorities) and disadantaged whites.
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Hugo85



Joined: 27 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the problem.

There are scholarships with academic-based criteria, there are those with need-based criteria and there's ethnic-based scholarship. At least this one is ethnic and need based. As some other poster said, ethnic+academic-based scholarships are pure fail.
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