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Junior
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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: US "revolution consultants" triggered Arab spring |
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Syrian president Bashar Assad today accused foreign conspirators of unleashing a wave of violence across his country.
He's probably right.
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| Revolution consultants are the worst nightmare of every regime. Srdja Popovic was a founder of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school. It was instrumental in the overthrow of Slobodan Milosevic in the 1990s and has now inspired a new generation of activists. Political commentators like William Engdahl are convinced Otpor is being financed by the USA |
Check it out: The Revolution Business June 9th 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8 |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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*Yawn*
Standard dictator tactic: blame domestic unrest on foreign meddling. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
*Yawn*
Standard dictator tactic: blame domestic unrest on foreign meddling. |
...I'm sure it is a standard dictator tactic.
But you missed the point entirely, and you also misssed out on an interesting bit of journalism by not even clicking on the link.
There appears to be a well-organised, American-backed and funded network of "Revolution consultants" and their agents who are responsible for triggering national revolutions in various countries with the aim of spreading democracy.
Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| /Damn those Americans with their democracy and freedom. |
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NovaKart
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know about Assad or Qaddafi but in the case of Mubarak, why would America support a revolution of people who could potentially be hostile to them in favor of someone who supports them. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
Hide your kids, hide your wife! |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| NovaKart wrote: |
| I don't know about Assad or Qaddafi but in the case of Mubarak, why would America support a revolution of people who could potentially be hostile to them in favor of someone who supports them. |
Better to sponsor, assist and help direct a revolution in your desired direction at a time of your own choosing than to let a spontaneous uprising come at an inopportune moment that could veer off in a less desireable direction. |
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Leon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
*Yawn*
Standard dictator tactic: blame domestic unrest on foreign meddling. |
...I'm sure it is a standard dictator tactic.
But you missed the point entirely, and you also misssed out on an interesting bit of journalism by not even clicking on the link.
There appears to be a well-organised, American-backed and funded network of "Revolution consultants" and their agents who are responsible for triggering national revolutions in various countries with the aim of spreading democracy.
Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
If this was Iran than maybe, but considering how America has propped up most of these people in one way or another this is highly unlikely. A stable region, regardless of humanitarian consquences, is in America's best interest. COnspiracy, yeah right. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
Are you saying this to condemn democracy, or are you saying this because you support democracy and want to be able to continue to condemn Muslims even if they adopt it? |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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In the early days of the Egyptian revolution there was an interview with a young woman who said she had attended meetings/taken classes in an American-sponsored revolutionary program. In Cairo, if I remember rightly.
There does seem to be a how-to course offered by the US gov't, but it would do no good if the conditions on the ground are not fertile. Assad is just trying to shift attention and responsibility to the dirty foreigners and away from himself. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
*Yawn*
Standard dictator tactic: blame domestic unrest on foreign meddling. |
...I'm sure it is a standard dictator tactic.
But you missed the point entirely, and you also misssed out on an interesting bit of journalism by not even clicking on the link.
There appears to be a well-organised, American-backed and funded network of "Revolution consultants" and their agents who are responsible for triggering national revolutions in various countries with the aim of spreading democracy.
Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
If this was Iran than maybe, but considering how America has propped up most of these people in one way or another this is highly unlikely. A stable region, regardless of humanitarian consquences, is in America's best interest. COnspiracy, yeah right. |
Makes more sense than the OP. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
*Yawn*
Standard dictator tactic: blame domestic unrest on foreign meddling. |
...I'm sure it is a standard dictator tactic.
But you missed the point entirely, and you also misssed out on an interesting bit of journalism by not even clicking on the link.
There appears to be a well-organised, American-backed and funded network of "Revolution consultants" and their agents who are responsible for triggering national revolutions in various countries with the aim of spreading democracy.
Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
Every year you come across some accusation like this.
Some years there are revolutions. Many years there are not.
Seems like no matter what you need a groundswell of popular opinion to pull it off, with or without American operatives. I mean, people don't just naturally volunteer to have themselves shot at. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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None of you appear to have watched the documentary in the link I supplied?
Of course dictators blame outside forces. thats not the point. The point is..watch the documentary. Serbians overthrew milosevic using tactics expounded by an american author, and with agents financially backed by the US. The US has been backing such movements and subverting arab governments for some time in order to spread democracy.
I'm not saying its a bad thing. I'm saying that it is all well directed and planned from behind the scenes. There is a formula... that if shared with enough of the populace, and if properly executed, will topple any government. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
None of you appear to have watched the documentary in the link I supplied?
Of course dictators blame outside forces. thats not the point. The point is..watch the documentary. Serbians overthrew milosevic using tactics expounded by an american author, and with agents financially backed by the US. The US has been backing such movements and subverting arab governments for some time in order to spread democracy.
I'm not saying its a bad thing. I'm saying that it is all well directed and planned from behind the scenes. There is a formula... that if shared with enough of the populace, and if properly executed, will topple any government. |
I watched the whole thing. It makes sense and seems to have been US policy for some time.
It's quite logical for the US to want to dump friendly dictators as well as topple the unfriendly ones. It's better to sponsor, assist, and help direct a revolution in your desired direction, at a time of your own choosing, than to let a spontaneous uprising come at an inopportune moment that could veer off in a less desireable direction. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| Democracy is an american conspiracy. |
Hide your kids, hide your wife! |
And hide your husband too! |
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