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Real Reality
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 Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: Hi |
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kangnamdragon
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Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Which is slightly less than what English teachers make. High school graduates probably still live at home so they get free housing too.
Obviously, English teachers are underpaid. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnamdragon wrote: |
Which is slightly less than what English teachers make. High school graduates probably still live at home so they get free housing too.
Obviously, English teachers are underpaid. |
You missed this part:
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| the survey conducted on workers at the age of 25-54 |
It's not saying people who just got out of highschool, but rather only have a high school education. The vast majority of people will not only have their own place, but they'll be married too. Hell, most will have been in the job market for eight years by the time they hit the minimum age requirement for the survey.
Most people just out of highschool tend to have poor paying jobs of 6000 Won an hour or less and earn around a million Won a month. As with most jobs, be it in a foreigner teaching English in an academy, running a PC room, or doing construction, the longer you are with a job the better you get and the more money you make. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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YOu are right, as usual. I missed that part.
But, English teachers still deserve more.  |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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I'll say it again, it's our own fault if the wages are so low. No one forces teachers to sign a contract for 1.8/1.9/2.0. Hokwons don't care if "you" don't sign the contract because they know that someone will.
Well, don't sign!!!!
Schools will have NO choice but to offer a decent wage! I tell you what, we don't sign any contract for a few months and watch just how quickly the wages go up! No teachers equals no business! I know of many hokwons where the owner complains "no money!" Yet, they pay for their sons/daughters tuition in the U.S. or Canada!
You do the math...
Hokwon "A" has 200 students paying let's say 125.000 Won a month and 125 thousand is a LOW figure as well know.
200 times 125 equals 25,000.000 Won per month.
Two F/T's @ 5K a month for the sake of arguement. 3 K/T's and we know already that K/T's work for cheap. So another let's say 4K a month. Plus the drivers @ 2.6K a month (1.3 each), gas, lights, rent and what not so kick in another 4K a month. OK, now the airfare, that's another 3K.
More students means more teachers of course. Still, the owner makes more money. Hey, why be in business anyway! To make money! Hokwons are not schools, they are a business. The owner makes money, so should you.
Rent money is not lost money. Koreans pay the years rent up front and get it back when they move.
Look at EF in Guro/Guil. 500 students! half are kindergarten paying 250.000 a month! The others pay 150.000 a month! And the teachers work for 1.8 and teach 7/8 classes a day! How foolish!
The owner is raking in the money and the teachers complain about low wages and many classes! Why let yourself be used? Why? I don't get it. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a great idea, but teachers are not organized enough to do it. I believe the starting pay should be at least 2.5. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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yangban
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The Great Green Pacific Northwest
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| kangnamdragon wrote: |
Which is slightly less than what English teachers make. High school graduates probably still live at home so they get free housing too.
Obviously, English teachers are underpaid. |
You missed this part:
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| the survey conducted on workers at the age of 25-54 |
It's not saying people who just got out of highschool, but rather only have a high school education. |
Still, they don't have a Bachelor's degree, like we do. Although if you facto in housing, it is still more. But not much more. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Still, they don't have a Bachelor's degree, like we do. Although if you facto in housing, it is still more. But not much more. |
What's this "we" thing about not making much more? Everyone I know personally who is in their second year or later here is making 3M+ per month with the exception of one guy who doesn't because he works 4 days a week. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Gord,
Everyone I know personally who is in their second year or later here is making less than 3M per month. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| yangban wrote: |
| Still, they don't have a Bachelor's degree, like we do. Although if you facto in housing, it is still more. But not much more. |
What's this "we" thing about not making much more? Everyone I know personally who is in their second year or later here is making 3M+ per month with the exception of one guy who doesn't because he works 4 days a week. |
3 million + housing? I don't know any teachers making that much. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Prices are increasing.
Are your salaries increasing?
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What % raise should I ask for? |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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kangnamdragon wrote,
What % raise should I ask for?
Can you ask? Should you ask?
If you ask, will you get a positive response?
How about 7 - 10%?
What do you think? |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
kangnamdragon wrote,
What % raise should I ask for?
Can you ask? Should you ask?
If you ask, will you get a positive response?
How about 7 - 10%?
What do you think? |
Yes, I'll get a positive response when I sign my next contract. 10% sounds good + what I would have already gotten. |
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danieltudor
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
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