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natasha12
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: AFTER SCHOOL POSITIONS-ANY GOOD OR USELESS?? |
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Hi guyz,
Im back again with another question.
Looking on the jobs forum on esl cafe,I come across many After school positions.It's strange though,because they call them 'After School' posts but a lot of them start early in the morning or at 12pm.Why is this?Would these be After school positions with kindergarten kids?
Anyway,just want to know how stable these After school jobs are-even the ones that are public After school positions?Are these stable?Or can the heads of departments just decide to cancel them when they want (and bad luck to those teachers who have just come a long way to teach English).From the outset they actually look better than the normal public school jobs as alot of them have the same hours and money but with less students.So would this be a better deal than a normal public school job?
Does it look good though on your CV if you just have an After school job instead of a normal public school/private school job?
And also ,I just want to know if the After school programs in public schools are stable??
And what about the private school After school positions.Does anyone have any info on these?
It would be great if anyone has any info and/or experiences,
Thank you my esl friendz,
Natasha |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Not the most stable, for job security and teaching experience. However, if you are used to teaching and can move to a different school it's not bad. Personally, I think these are the best. No principal and no hagwon owner. You just have a manager that checks up on you, and if you are lucky you'll have a co-teacher. They are more a connection between you and your employer, not so much there for teaching in your classroom.
As for the time frame, I would ask them. The afterschool program I was in wanted me to start at 11am because they wanted 1 hour of preparation. They wanted me to start at 1pm with the 1st graders. 12-1pm was lunch, so after a month I was allowed to skip the 2 hour block and just show up prepared for 1pm. I had short 1pm-6pm work days.
After about the 2nd or 3rd month the older students will stop coming because their parents are paying for them to go to hagwon instead. So, you might only need to teach 3 or 4 classes. I got paid regardless. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| From my experience it's a little unusual for them to hire from abroad, might want to keep that in mind also. |
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marsavalanche
Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:27 am Post subject: Re: AFTER SCHOOL POSITIONS-ANY GOOD OR USELESS?? |
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| natasha12 wrote: |
Hi guyz,
Im back again with another question.
Looking on the jobs forum on esl cafe,I come across many After school positions.It's strange though,because they call them 'After School' posts but a lot of them start early in the morning or at 12pm.Why is this?Would these be After school positions with kindergarten kids?
Anyway,just want to know how stable these After school jobs are-even the ones that are public After school positions?Are these stable?Or can the heads of departments just decide to cancel them when they want (and bad luck to those teachers who have just come a long way to teach English).From the outset they actually look better than the normal public school jobs as alot of them have the same hours and money but with less students.So would this be a better deal than a normal public school job?
Does it look good though on your CV if you just have an After school job instead of a normal public school/private school job?
And also ,I just want to know if the After school programs in public schools are stable??
And what about the private school After school positions.Does anyone have any info on these?
It would be great if anyone has any info and/or experiences,
Thank you my esl friendz,
Natasha |
My contract says 12-6. But my hours are 12:45 - 5:45 M-Th, and 2:00 - 5:45 F
NO job is stable in Korea buddy. If you don't believe me, you're free to browse the forums and read foreigners getting canned for all kinds of reasons (regardless of legitimacy).
Like ttompatz says, do your due diligence, no one will do it for you.. Not every job is the same, recruiters will lie through their teeth to get you to sign.
I have an after school position and love it. If you're skeptical, turn down the job and take a 9-6 hagwon position. Someone else will take your seat and life will go on. |
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Tigerstyleone
Joined: 01 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| during vacation classes are in the morning. |
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kingssurfer
Joined: 14 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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And what about the private school After school positions.Does anyone have any info on these? |
This should give you an idea
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=203541&highlight=
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| Not the most stable, for job security and teaching experience. However, if you are used to teaching and can move to a different school it's not bad. Personally, I think these are the best. No principal and no hagwon owner. You just have a manager that checks up on you, and if you are lucky you'll have a co-teacher. They are more a connection between you and your employer, not so much there for teaching in your classroom. |
Yep, not the most stable because it's all about profit. However,in my one year at this after school program, I have seen my boss 4 times. Of those two times, one was when I got hired, and one was at the company seminar. They only bother you if you are screwing up. Not seeing your boss everyday, especially if you get along with your co worker, is extremely awesome. I just renewed and got more $ and vacation.
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| After about the 2nd or 3rd month the older students will stop coming because their parents are paying for them to go to hagwon instead. So, you might only need to teach 3 or 4 classes. I got paid regardless. |
Koreatimes, which after school program was this?
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| My contract says 12-6. But my hours are 12:45 - 5:45 M-Th, and 2:00 - 5:45 F |
Marsavalanche, which one is this?
I would really like to compare all of the after school programs. Curious as to which one offers the most perks, because I heard it was mine.
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| NO job is stable in Korea buddy. If you don't believe me, you're free to browse the forums and read foreigners getting canned for all kinds of reasons (regardless of legitimacy). |
so true |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Koreatimes, which after school program was this? |
This is more of a trend. I'll list my history.
JAPAN
I didn't teach many kids when I taught in Japan, but I did work at one hagwon like school (called "juku"). After February, the older kids didn't show up. I ended up teaching only elementary school students and adults/college students.
Same with another school. I taught junior high school students in the summer of that year and when August came, my classes stopped. I taught one mother and her friend for a while before they didn't need me. The interest to learn spoken English wasn't there. They would rather study for written tests.
KOREA
I worked for GnB, and that is only an English based school. The actual school I worked for was both GnB and had classes with additional subjects like math, science, and social studies. It went by another name. I would regularly teach the 1st and 2nd graders, the 3rd and 4th graders would come and go. This was an interesting gap, as I also had a lot more 5th graders at the time. After that, the 6th graders and middle schoolers were scheduled when convenient. Nothing regular with them. The 8th grade classes only had 3 or 4 students at one time whereas the 1st and 2nd grade classes were always full.
I also worked at a GEPIK school, and I taught an even distribution of 1st-6th grade classes in the morning. In the afternoon, we always had 20-25 students (1st-2nd grade in the afterschool program. The 3rd and 4th graders started out with 25, but after 2 months we had 10-15 come. Near the end of the semester 6-8 would come. There was only one 6th grader that signed up and the rest were in the 5th grade (in our 5th/6th grade afterschool class). By the second month none of them showed up, they went to a hagwon instead. So, we taught 1st-4th.
I signed up with an afterschool only job in Incheon after that, and the same thing happened. Even when the students came, they would come 10-15 minutes late. These guys often had taekwondo practice. Some of the girls had piano lessons instead. Usually they left early to go to a hagwon. I would teach 40 minute classes, but only see each student for like 20-25. Obviously, this isn't the best for teachers who like to plan ahead. If you just show up and teach those that come, it's not that bad. Don't expect leaps of progress.
CHINA
I worked at one school briefly, and we would teach 15-20 students who were in 1st-4th grade. There would be 10 students in the 5th and 6th grade classes.
At my last school, I taught young Korean students and then high school students. I only had about 3 or 4 students in between. They simply didn't sign up at the school and the school doesn't teach Chinese students.
At my current school, I am waiting for my summer schedule. Tomorrow I go in to teach some demo/intro classes for elementary school students. I have already done this a couple times.
Typically, the parents just send their young ones to English school because it is a place for them to go. The older kids are more independent so they can choose to go to soccer camp or somewhere else. This is why you won't see as many students show up.
During regular school hours, you will teach decent sized classes. The high school I have taught at has 45 students in each class, and before the summer break I taught 16-18 classes. I don't have my schedule yet for September.
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alistaircandlin
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:37 am Post subject: |
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I taught on an afterschool program for a year, at an elementary school up near Sungshin, through Win Education.
It was the easiest teaching job I've ever had. Turn up at 11am, two hours to prepare, and eat lunch.
four classes.. Go home about five. It was very unstressful, and left me a lot of free time.
Don't think you usually get your airfare paid with these kinds of jobs. My recruiters agreed to pay me my bonus, even though I had to finished shortly before the year's contract was up.
to the OP - these programs are after school because at elementary schools the youngest kids finish school very early - so you'd teach them first. the older kids finish later - so you'd be teaching them at 3 or 4pm. |
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natasha12
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: Thank you so much every1 |
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Mmmm Im thinking of going for an After school job because I think it would be more stable than a hagwon.
I dont know why I think this -but I think that because the After school program is in a public school-the public school won't ever close the program because public schools are more stable........
Thats my reasoning anyway.If I was to go with an After School program in a private school/hagwon,now that would be a different matter-I wouldn't apply for that -it would be just the same as the hagwon.
But an After school program in a public school-would be alright I think????????
Am I right about it being stable because the program would be in a public school?? |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| but I think that because the After school program is in a public school |
When I did an "only" afterschool program, it was MANAGED.
This means your principal or your hagwon owner is NONEXSITENT.
You answer to your MANAGER.
I saw eye to eye with the manager that hired me. Then she left after two months. Two part-time managers replaced her. One left to Canada to be with her husband, and the other left a month later because she didn't like the organization she managed for.
I let the cat out of the bag and told the 4th manager, as well as the fact my co-teacher didn't like working for them. I was removed, and I am pretty sure my co-teacher was too.
Your best stability is with public schools and a GOOD co-teacher. However, if you get a good manager for an afterschool position it can be good. The 4th manager in my case was a complete witch and I had to leave. |
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natasha12
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:31 pm Post subject: Thank you |
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So are these 'managers' Westerners or Korean or can they be either?
God,it sounds like I would be taking a chance with the After school job gig as well!!!!!!!!!
But they can't fire you if you're doing your job,right?And you're always paid on time in these positions??I think these are the two main ones.
Although I wouldn't want a Westerner Manager.
Best to wait 8 months to get into a public school!!!!!! |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| So are these 'managers' Westerners or Korean or can they be either? |
No, what I am saying is a KOREAN organization with KOREAN employees work. One of them manages you. Usually, they are all KOREAN but they could hire some F visa foreigner. Typically, they won't though.
So you call KOREAN recruiter, KOREAN recruiter calls KOREAN organization, KOREAN manager interviews you on phone, you go with KOREAN manager to KOREAN principal, and then you sign the contract.
The contract will say you are being managed by the KOREAN organization. I guess they could get a westerner and you would have a better start because there would be no communication problems.
My point was that these managers are middle men, like recruiters. They could come and go. They are not fixtures like principals and hagwon owners. So, you might have a good one and it will go sour with the new one. The principal and hagwon owner are always there, so you either get lucky all year or you are screwed all year. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Before you start applying you might want to learn how to actually write in English first without using 'z' instead of 's' and learning how to use proper punctuation.
That said, you can't get one unless you're in Korea and have an E2 visa that's ready for transfer. Sorry. |
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