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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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 Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: Rule change about foreigners teaching morning kindy? |
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Anyone heard about this? One of my friends freelances PT on his F2. Apparently the laws are changing possibly, and foreigners may no longer teach any kindy classes before noon after this summer? His boss at a PT gig told him the gov't is randomly auditing schools this summer, gave him the summer off earlier than normal to avoid problems, but that the new rules are not yet set. His recruiter confirmed but said a lot has yet to be decided. Sounds like foreigners might only be able to teach PT on an F2 in the afternoon from 1 to 2pm (most kindy close at 2, apparently). The word from his boss was that the government feels too many kindy are hiring PT foreigners for English education, and that they are trying to kill it.
This was only regarding PT work. I have no reason to believe it will affect fulltimers.
Anyone heard more?[/b] |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure this only affects Korean kindies that aren't technically language schools. |
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bobrocket
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the law has already change and audits are happening now |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Kindy's (yu-chi-won) can't hire an E2 foreigner.
They CAN hire an F2/4/5. There is no restriction (they are entitled to work the same as a Korean).
I haven't heard of any change in the rules for Language Institutes who also have ESL/immersion kindy and E2s.
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bobrocket
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
Kindy's (yu-chi-won) can't hire an E2 foreigner.
They CAN hire an F2/4/5. There is no restriction (they are entitled to work the same as a Korean).
I haven't heard of any change in the rules for Language Institutes who also have ESL/immersion kindy and E2s.
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From what I understood they (not language schools) just can't teach English before 12, it wasn't a visa thing, Korean or NET but a new government policy. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| bobrocket wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Kindy's (yu-chi-won) can't hire an E2 foreigner.
They CAN hire an F2/4/5. There is no restriction (they are entitled to work the same as a Korean).
I haven't heard of any change in the rules for Language Institutes who also have ESL/immersion kindy and E2s.
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From what I understood they (not language schools) just can't teach English before 12, it wasn't a visa thing, Korean or NET but a new government policy. |
This is kind of what I'm hearing.
I brought it up in discussion with another recruiter friend, and she said it's been illegal for your garden-variety kindy's to hire English teachers (ANY visa, for at least morning classes, for sure) this year, but the gov't is now just starting to attempt to get a grip on the scale of the "problem."
Moms want their kids to study English in kindy, but some in the gov't don't, apparently? Any guesses as to who/why? Is this another case of arguing that it's not fair to the poor, or are some worried that too much time needed for Korean education will be lost?
My recruiter friend said that she doesn't know if the government is ready to deal with the throngs of angry mothers once the scope of the problem is realized and serious enforcement takes place.
After all, those mothers can vote. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Moms want their kids to study English in kindy, but some in the gov't don't, apparently? Any guesses as to who/why? Is this another case of arguing that it's not fair to the poor, or are some worried that too much time needed for Korean education will be lost?
My recruiter friend said that she doesn't know if the government is ready to deal with the throngs of angry mothers once the scope of the problem is realized and serious enforcement takes place.
After all, those mothers can vote. |
This applies to much the government's attitude towards English learning, including private lessons. There are rules in place here that I haven't heard about anywhere else and don't really make sense given the level of demand for the services provided. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhhhh......
Land of the Morning Calm.......finally.
Let those babies get some sleep, besides, they're going to wind up working (studying) 16 hours a day by the time they're 10.
And it's more of blessing in disguise for teachers (Koreans and Foreigners), becuase let's face it, who needs to start thier day off in a room full of crying toddlers. Until Korea embraces the use of modern psychology, and the benefits of pharmacology, this is just a one way ticket to the funny farm.
Sometimes, the K-gov gets it right. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| bobrocket wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
Kindy's (yu-chi-won) can't hire an E2 foreigner.
They CAN hire an F2/4/5. There is no restriction (they are entitled to work the same as a Korean).
I haven't heard of any change in the rules for Language Institutes who also have ESL/immersion kindy and E2s.
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From what I understood they (not language schools) just can't teach English before 12, it wasn't a visa thing, Korean or NET but a new government policy. |
Well F visa employment can not be restricted this way (based on skin color really). If Korean teachers can teach in the morning, so can F visa holders. |
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bobrocket
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I meant they as in the school can't have English lessons in the morning regardless of who is teaching them. |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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It's illegal to teach English in Kindergartens full stop. English can not be taught in institutions licensed as kindergartens (유치원). It doesn't matter if the teacher is foreign or Korean. The time of day also makes no difference (althought I assume what you were told about teaching in the afternoon is some sort of attempt at a loophole to get around the law. For example. we're a kindergarten in the morning but we rent out the building to a language hagwon in the afternoon. It's just a coincidence that all of the students are the same. Pure speculation here, but a lot of tricks like this go on.)
The law is not new either, at least several years old. A news report I saw a while back said that 96% of private kindergartens in Korea are teaching English illegally. Only 4% were actually complying with the law. Enforcement has always been very lax, but perhaps they're starting to take it seriously now?
As for the reasons for the law, keeping kids out of the competitive rat race that is English education in Korea at such a young age. As well as keeping costs down and providing equal opportunities for lower income kids. I suppose not the worst reasons in the world, but it is pretty crazy that they ban the teaching of English to children at an age that's been proven to be one of the most critical for language acquisition, especially when it is something that a vast majority of mothers want for their kids. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just a coincidence that all of the students are the same. |
Business partners. School 1 teaches at location A in the morning, School 2 does B. Swap in the afternoon. You could do this with 3 or more schools as well. Apply change in subjects. Have a math school here, English school there. You get the idea. |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| r122925 wrote: |
| ..... but it is pretty crazy that they ban the teaching of English to children at an age that's been proven to be one of the most critical for language acquisition, especially when it is something that a vast majority of mothers want for their kids. |
And this really surprises you?
Really?
Just be quiet with your facts and studies already, that's all they are, and meaningless in context of Han culture. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Netz wrote: |
| r122925 wrote: |
| ..... but it is pretty crazy that they ban the teaching of English to children at an age that's been proven to be one of the most critical for language acquisition, especially when it is something that a vast majority of mothers want for their kids. |
And this really surprises you?
Really?
Just be quiet with your facts and studies already, that's all they are, and meaningless in context of Han culture. |
Are you saying that Korean children don't learn language the same way Western children do? |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Netz wrote: |
| r122925 wrote: |
| ..... but it is pretty crazy that they ban the teaching of English to children at an age that's been proven to be one of the most critical for language acquisition, especially when it is something that a vast majority of mothers want for their kids. |
And this really surprises you?
Really?
Just be quiet with your facts and studies already, that's all they are, and meaningless in context of Han culture. |
Are you saying that Korean children don't learn language the same way Western children do? |
No he's saying western logic isn't the same as Korean government "logic."
Actually it seems Korean parents don't agree with their government "logic" either. |
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