View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: Are Most People Racist? |
|
|
According to Harvard's Implicit Association Test, over 80% of white people in America favor (at least unconsciously) their own racial group. Take the test for yourself-
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/iat/racframe.htm |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:41 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes
No testing required, just look around. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American. |
I was zooming along until they switched at the end. Then I made lots of mistakes, but I guess I made them fairly evenly on both sides or something.
EDIT: I'm not sure I agree with the title of the thread, though. If someone unconsciously "prefers their own race" I'm not sure that makes them a racist. I like to reserve that term for more serious offenses than "unconscious preferences." |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Ninja-Bees
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
So, lets break this down. Most people = White Americans. This is based on your post title and the content within.
Quote: |
80% of white people in America favor (at least unconsciously) their own racial group |
Edit:
This made me lol:
Quote: |
Then I made lots of mistakes, but I guess I made them fairly evenly on both sides or something. |
I don't think those are mistakes. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Are Most People Racist? |
|
|
"prefer their own racial group"? i mean, i guess. in terms of girlfriends, i've had A LOT of flavour for a white dude. i really don't have a preference when it comes to beautiful women.
i don't know - i wake up every day and see a white dude in the mirror. i grew up in a fairly white area of the world. do i, even unconsciously, "prefer" my own kind? i guess.
not sure if that makes me racist. i'm 100% positive that it doesn't bother me either which way. as long as i continue treating ALL people with the baseline of love and respect that all living beings deserve, then i think i'll sleep ok at night. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
johnnyrook
Joined: 08 Nov 2009
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
Little to no automatic preference between the two races. I did make two mistakes in the first paired sorting task (first time tried to sort a good word with white/bad, and the second time tried to sort a bad word with black/good). Those 48% with a strong preference for whitey must make a lot of mistakes.
You know though, a lot of us have spent a fair amount of time living in Korea, which should have weakened our sub-conscious positive response to our racial in-group (although, perhaps if you're a Westerner of Asian ethnicity, it might have actually strengthened it -but this test has nothing to do with Asians so won't really enlighten us on that fact), so I expect ESL teachers to do well on this ( assuming that not being racist is "doing well" - some might disagree). |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Ninja-Bees wrote: |
This made me lol:
Quote: |
Then I made lots of mistakes, but I guess I made them fairly evenly on both sides or something. |
I don't think those are mistakes. |
Mistakes as in the little red X appeared. I already stated that I placed in the "Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American." category, so I'm not sure what you're driving at. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American. |
Not really surprised by this. Kind of wish other 'races' were included. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Racism is natural. Its has been part of human survival strategy for tens of thousands of years. Every seeing animal uses visual cues to avoid predators.
That being said, I dislike being the object of discrimination here. It makes me appreciate the great accomplishments of civil rights leaders and educators in the US particularly who have fought so hard to demonstrate it uselessness in the modern world. We need to treat everyone as an individual and continue to remind ourselves and others of its negative presence. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009 Location: Iraq
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I think the test is kind of stupid. How do they know that people aren't just influenced by associating white with good because that's the way the test was done the first time around? |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
it's almost sexy how smart you people are.
no, wait. it IS sexy.
yay. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Triban

Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Location: Suwon Station
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Are Most People Racist? |
|
|
isisaredead wrote: |
"prefer their own racial group"? i mean, i guess. in terms of girlfriends, i've had A LOT of flavour for a white dude. i really don't have a preference when it comes to beautiful women.
i don't know - i wake up every day and see a white dude in the mirror. i grew up in a fairly white area of the world. do i, even unconsciously, "prefer" my own kind? i guess.
not sure if that makes me racist. i'm 100% positive that it doesn't bother me either which way. as long as i continue treating ALL people with the baseline of love and respect that all living beings deserve, then i think i'll sleep ok at night. |
Well said. I also do not discriminate on beautiful wominz. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for African American compared to European American. |
Well, I wouldn't have guessed that.
NovaKart wrote: |
I think the test is kind of stupid. How do they know that people aren't just influenced by associating white with good because that's the way the test was done the first time around? |
The FAQ says the order of presentation is random.
It's also worth pointing out that the FAQ clarifies that this is not a test for prejudice (much less racism):
Quote: |
Psychologists typically use the word "prejudiced" to describe people who endorse or approve of negative attitudes and behavior toward various outgroups. Many people who show a White preference on the Black-White IAT are not prejudiced by this definition. These people are able to behave in a relatively unprejudiced way in part by making active efforts to prevent their automatic White preference from leading to discriminatory behavior. However, in the absence of active efforts, these people may still be prone to prejudiced thoughts or behavior. |
Calling someone prejudiced or racist based on the results of this test is dubious. Beliefs and actions are what matter on that account, not vague natural inclinations. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
|
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Malcolm Gladwell talks a lot about the IAT in his book Blink. Interestingly, the results of the test can be changed if people are shown pictures of black people who have done a lot of good in this world such as Nelson Mandela prior to taking the test:
Quote: |
One example he gave was about the Implicit Association Test which measures our unconscious attitudes to race etc. Most people have an unconscious preference for white over black people. I decided to put myself to the test. Bear with me there is a broader political point coming.
I did the race test and it came out with the result that I have a moderate preference for white over black people. I�m not really surprised by this given the world in which we live. Before you hurl abuse at me, let me just say a couple of things for context�.
Firstly, this test measures unconscious attitudes (which can be changed but only by deliberately managing the sense data that creeps into the on board computer.) Secondly, this is about the level of prejudice that Malcolm Gladwell himself had and he is half Jamaican. Indeed, more that 50 per cent of black people also have an unconscious preference for white over black people. It�s the society we live in.
Now, Project Implicit which runs this test also did a test for McCain v Obama and race. I did this test also. Amazingly, the result this time is that I had a slight preference for black people over white people! (It�s hardly worth reporting that I had moderate preference for Barack Obama over John McCain other than it was only moderate.) Gladwell explains in his book that by showing people images of Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela prior to them taking the test, the results change. That is exactly what happened!
And taking the test, I could feel my conscious wrestling with my unconscious to place positive terms next to black people on the first test and exactly the OPPOSITE on the second test- I was having to force myself to put positive words in the white box. |
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/02/why-malcolm-gladwell-thinks-im-a-racist/
Gladwell argues that our unconscious biases can affect the decisions we make even though we may not be aware of it. One example he gives is a study that concluded that used car salesmen typically try to charge blacks more for a car than whites. Race is not the only thing that people have unconscious biases about. Short people are less likely to be promoted in their jobs and earn less than tall people. CEOs are on average six feet tall. Gladwell points that this is because most people unconsciously associate being tall with leadership qualities. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
|
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I reckon most people have some racism in them. It's how we've been taught to think though we've also been told it's wrong to think that way. I guess most people in the world don't spend a lot of time with different races, seeing how homogeneous many places are. If not racist, then there's some awkwardness or discomfort with going outside the known. There's also language/culture exclusive to many in homogeneous areas. Exceptions may be made for the beautiful or famous/rich perhaps. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|