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Hagwon whistleblowers get big bucks for snooping
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Hagwon whistleblowers get big bucks for snooping Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2939052

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The Ministry of Education, Science and Technology on Sunday named 37-year-old homemaker Lee Ji-hyo the second-most paid �hagparazzi� - a portmanteau of hagwon (cram schools) and paparazzi to refer to people who report illegal hagwon activities to the authorities for monetary rewards.

�After sending my two children to hagwon, I found out about the illegal acts of cram schools,� Lee said. �It�s what led me to become a hagparazzi.�

Lee said she has accumulated over 200 million won ($188,600) during the past two years as a hagparazzi.

�Anyone can be a hagparazzi by studying the act for a mere two or three days like me,� said Lee. �Dealing with hagwon and private tutors is not dangerous.�

Her process is fairly simple and takes only about 10 minutes. First, she conceals a hidden camera inside her bag or her clothes and walks into a hagwon. After Lee receives a consultation on the program fees, she asks specific questions to entice the hagwon official to reveal their late-night program. Lastly, she nonchalantly strolls around the hagwon to record students in classes past the legal curfew. With the evidence, she collects her reward from the Education Ministry.

�I believe that I am working for society as a civil worker,� said Lee.



Sounds good except what happens after she reports them?

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When asked what she would do if hagwon stopped their illegal activities, she laughed. �Illegal hagwon will never vanish. I�ve reported a single hagwon on three different occasions, but it�s still in business.�
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What time is "legal curfew"?
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jizza



Joined: 24 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagwons must cease teaching at 10pm.

I believe they can remain open afterwards as long as they aren't holding classes.
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DaHu



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen places with classes after 10:00... guess I could have earned some dough if I had been interested..

oh wait, I thought it was 188,000 WON, those are greenbacks.. hmmm...
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Zackback



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Location: Kyungbuk

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone (ttompatz?) cite the specific law that says it is 10pm?
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nick70100



Joined: 09 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
Can anyone (ttompatz?) cite the specific law that says it is 10pm?


They're local laws. In Seoul hagwons must not have classes for children (high school and younger) after 10pm or before 5am. Obviously they can have adult classes any time they want.

http://www.law.go.kr/detcInfoPWah.do?detcSeq=139539

Busan is similar. No hagwon classes between 10pm and 5am for middle school and younger. High school students can have classes until 11pm.

http://www.law.go.kr/detcInfoPWah.do?detcSeq=139537

I don't know the laws pertaining to every city in Korea, but assume similar rules exist.
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chungbukdo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow thanks so much for "protecting society." I guess individuals can't decide for themselves whether they think they should be studying or not, and it's up to legislators and this woman to run our lives for us. We are all just idiots and fools who sign up for classes because we are stupid, the government knows better. A legislator has determined that someone doesn't need to study past ten, then what right would he have to study? After all, our wise overlords know so much better than we do.

In high school, sometimes I studied until 2-3am in the morning before an exam. I hope they start coming into people's homes to make sure they're not studying late. Let's start busting down people's doors! What right do they have to study?
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick70100 wrote:
Zackback wrote:
Can anyone (ttompatz?) cite the specific law that says it is 10pm?


They're local laws. In Seoul hagwons must not have classes for children (high school and younger) after 10pm or before 5am. Obviously they can have adult classes any time they want.

http://www.law.go.kr/detcInfoPWah.do?detcSeq=139539

Busan is similar. No hagwon classes between 10pm and 5am for middle school and younger. High school students can have classes until 11pm.

http://www.law.go.kr/detcInfoPWah.do?detcSeq=139537

I don't know the laws pertaining to every city in Korea, but assume similar rules exist.



Most of Korea has a limit of midnight or none at all.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society." I guess individuals can't decide for themselves whether they think they should be studying or not, and it's up to legislators and this woman to run our lives for us. We are all just idiots and fools who sign up for classes because we are stupid, the government knows better. A legislator has determined that someone doesn't need to study past ten, then what right would he have to study? After all, our wise overlords know so much better than we do.

In high school, sometimes I studied until 2-3am in the morning before an exam. I hope they start coming into people's homes to make sure they're not studying late. Let's start busting down people's doors! What right do they have to study?


There are Korean mothers who would force their kids to attend hagwons 24/7 with no breaks from kindy to high school graduation. Some of them have pushed things so far that legislation is needed so that kids can get some sleep. Yeah, it's that bad.
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hagwonnewbie



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Location: Asia

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Hagwon Street in Anyang or any city and watch all the students leaving after 1, 2 even 3 AM. Snitchin is easy money in Korea.
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society."


I wonder if there are any prizes for busting recruiters and hakwon managers for all their abuses of foreign employees.
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DaHu



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society."


I wonder if there are any prizes for busting recruiters and hakwon managers for all their abuses of foreign employees.


Prizes for the recruiters and managers, sure.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julius wrote:
chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society."


I wonder if there are any prizes for busting recruiters and hakwon managers for all their abuses of foreign employees.


Sounds like a plan.
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FMPJ



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society." I guess individuals can't decide for themselves whether they think they should be studying or not, and it's up to legislators and this woman to run our lives for us. We are all just idiots and fools who sign up for classes because we are stupid, the government knows better. A legislator has determined that someone doesn't need to study past ten, then what right would he have to study? After all, our wise overlords know so much better than we do.

In high school, sometimes I studied until 2-3am in the morning before an exam. I hope they start coming into people's homes to make sure they're not studying late. Let's start busting down people's doors! What right do they have to study?


Hagwon is not the only place to study. Limiting hagwon hours, like limiting alcohol sales hours, doesn't mean what you're saying it means.
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akcrono



Joined: 11 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Wow thanks so much for "protecting society." I guess individuals can't decide for themselves whether they think they should be studying or not, and it's up to legislators and this woman to run our lives for us. We are all just idiots and fools who sign up for classes because we are stupid, the government knows better. A legislator has determined that someone doesn't need to study past ten, then what right would he have to study? After all, our wise overlords know so much better than we do.

In high school, sometimes I studied until 2-3am in the morning before an exam. I hope they start coming into people's homes to make sure they're not studying late. Let's start busting down people's doors! What right do they have to study?


Some parents feel forced to push their kids to study unreasonable hours because of all the competition here (and other parents are just ridiculous). As a result, these kids never get to have free time and have a poor quality of life. If anything, they need MORE regulation; the lack of quality of life is probably a huge contributor to the suicide rate here.
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