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for Aussies, Kiwi and Canadians it's 1998 IMF all over again

 
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:28 pm    Post subject: for Aussies, Kiwi and Canadians it's 1998 IMF all over again Reply with quote

so you think the KRW has gotten "strong", do you?
the Korean press certainly thinks so. Rolling Eyes

baseline pre economic crisis rate for AUD , 740 won per 1 AUD

so 2.0 mil won = 2702 AUD in 2006, 2007 and earlier

today 1139 won per 1 AUD

2.0 mil today = 1756 AUD

for Canadians 869 before vs 1168 today

2.0 mil before = 2301 CDN
2.0 mil today = 1712 CDN

don't worry, it could be worse.

especially if you were Japanese or Swiss.

the won proudly continues to be one the world's crappiest currencies.

for Kiwis too..

691 vs 908

2.0 mil before - 2894 NZD
2.0 mil today - 2203 NZD

S. Africans and Brits have stayed about the same, (S. Africans slightly worse off depending on baseline start)
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Airborne9



Joined: 01 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if I'm not mistaken the Canadian Dollar and Aussie Dollar are both doing pretty strongly in their own right, not only against the SK Won. Furthermore the SK Won is not doing too badly in compared to recent years especially against the Euro (bad example, what currency isnt strong against the Euro these days) and US dollar (was even doing well against the USD before Moodys and S&P were talking about ratings cuts)

I think its more of a reflection on the performance of the Aussi and Canadian economies rather than a reflection on the South Korean Won.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have student loans to pay off and are not planning to return soon or ever...it makes no real difference though.
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isisaredead



Joined: 18 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Airborne9 wrote:
Well if I'm not mistaken the Canadian Dollar and Aussie Dollar are both doing pretty strongly in their own right, not only against the SK Won. Furthermore the SK Won is not doing too badly in compared to recent years especially against the Euro (bad example, what currency isnt strong against the Euro these days) and US dollar (was even doing well against the USD before Moodys and S&P were talking about ratings cuts)

I think its more of a reflection on the performance of the Aussi and Canadian economies rather than a reflection on the South Korean Won.


don't think it - know it. you're absolutely right.

i'm not sure what the OP was trying to prove.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP is a bit short sighted.

In 2006 the won was as strong as it had been since pre IMF (almost on parity +- with the USD).

In the early part of the decade (2001-2002) the won was trading at ~1250KRW to 1 CAD and the CAD was trading at ~1.50 CAD to 1 USD.

In the depths of the US crash in 2008 the won fell to 1500-1 CAD.

Today's FX rates are about where the won should be trading considering the fact that Korea is an export based economy and they need to import all their raw materials; weak enough to be competitive in the global markets yet strong enough to be able to actually buy the raw materials they need.

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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom, I have to check, but your numbers seem quite off. I don't recall the Cnd $ hitting 1500 won in 2008, and I remember it being in the 760 range in 2002.
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tehdee



Joined: 01 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but today the its almost 1,000 krw to 1usd.... (95 cents).
americans with debts, etc... to pay off back home are sitting pretty.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) yes, it's a feather in the cap of Aussie and Canadian $, but YES, it's also reflective of the performance, or should I say, lackthereof of the Korean won.
To put it bluntly, it blows, though it's finally kept up with everyone else since the govt stopped massively interfering in 2009-2010 by keeping the exchange rate weak.

2). Ttompatz. One has to start somewhere, and I figure 2007 prior economic crisis is a good a baseline as any.. since most countries were in same situation (boomtimes). I will say you could argue won was overvalued a bit then. (early decade doesn't count.. that's IMF "aftermath", so it was weak again)

3) bottom line is that almost every OTHER foreign currency is OUTPERFORMING the won, aka even stronger against the dollar.
with some exceptions

like Pakistani rupee
Ukrainian hryvnia
nicaraguan cordoba.

and some other countries/currencies that the Koreans would be proud to compare themselves against Very Happy

but it's on average still off anywhere from 15-33% against most of its Asian neighbors and other competitive currencies.

a nice little "trade advantage". I'm shocked that its Asian Tiger export competitors are tolerating this.

Against Japan, Korea won is down nearly 50%. Against China, it's around 25%. Against Thai baht, around 30% etc etc etc

if you're American you should be BENEFITTING not earning US dollars, but in Korea, you're still at least 5-10% away from merely getting back to break even.

p.s. and for those of you who say it doesn't matter if no loans. Wrong if you spend money in Korea, because you're paying more for everything as this policy has accelerated Korea's inflation rate.

weak currency = you getting it hard up the backside, even more so than under the usual Korean consumer conditions.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Airborne9 wrote:
Furthermore the SK Won is not doing too badly in compared to recent years especially against the Euro (bad example, what currency isnt strong against the Euro these days) and US dollar (was even doing well against the USD before Moodys and S&P were talking about ratings cuts)



that so? is your starting point late 2008, when won was worth toilet paper?

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=KRW&view=10Y

comparisons vs OECD would be scary, so let's look at BRICs

only vs Rupee is won more or less holding up. Off 10% vs ruble.. 20-25% vs Yuan and looks like around 60%!!!!! vs Br. Real.


http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BRL&to=KRW&view=10Y

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=KRW&view=10Y

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=INR&to=KRW&view=10Y

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=CNY&to=KRW&view=10Y

among its Asian neighbors KRW blows against everyone with singular exception of an aptly named curreny... the dong.

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=VND&to=KRW&view=10Y
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heynice



Joined: 15 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Tom, I have to check, but your numbers seem quite off. I don't recall the Cnd $ hitting 1500 won in 2008, and I remember it being in the 760 range in 2002.


It hit 1500won:$1USD in November 2008. I won't forget because it was my first year teaching, and suddenly I took a ~35% pay cut my first year. I'm glad that the US dollar has returned to pre-2008 crisis levels.
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

heynice wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
Tom, I have to check, but your numbers seem quite off. I don't recall the Cnd $ hitting 1500 won in 2008, and I remember it being in the 760 range in 2002.


It hit 1500won:$1USD in November 2008. I won't forget because it was my first year teaching, and suddenly I took a ~35% pay cut my first year. I'm glad that the US dollar has returned to pre-2008 crisis levels.


actually the USD has in many cases gotten significantly cheaper than its pre 2008 levels. It's only vs the won that it continues to be at least 5-10% more expensive.

That's the "rub".

however. I'm happy to report that the won is in fact "strong" and appreciating against a whole host of African currencies. (though down against Afghan Afghani and Iraqi dinar)

notable appreciation vs Ethopian birr, Ghana cedis, Kenya shilling, Nigeria naira, Rwanda franc, and especially the Uganda shilling

korea fighting!

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=AOA&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BWP&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=BIF&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=DJF&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EGP&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=ETB&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GMD&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GHS&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=KES&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RWF&to=KRW&view=10Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=UGX&to=KRW&view=10Y
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: for Aussies, Kiwi and Canadians it's 1998 IMF all over a Reply with quote

rainism wrote:
so you think the KRW has gotten "strong", do you?
the Korean press certainly thinks so.


The Korean press is only interested in boosting the country's image. So of course they are saying the Won is strong. There are threads here where the Korean media reports events that directly contradict the reports in other countries. No surprise there.
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Koreadays



Joined: 20 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If our dollar keeps getting stronger then the only real point of coming to Korea to teach is mainly for cultural experience.

which was the point for many of us anyway.
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