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Overtime and getting paid less for working less

 
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BigJ



Joined: 21 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:52 am    Post subject: Overtime and getting paid less for working less Reply with quote

So I have been working here in Korea for about 3 months now and so far I don't have a lot of complaints about my employer or my school. I know some of my colleagues do, but I just think that their expectations are too high (not sure why). I knew when I signed on to teach at a hagwon that not everything would be perfect but I was under the distinct impression that my employer was one of the most reliable when it comes to getting paid. The other teachers are my school say that this never really seems to be a problem and that our organization is very reliable (proper income tax, pension, health care, severance, etc.). This is definitely the most important factor in my satisfaction at a particular job. I can generally put up with other issues as long as my time and effort are being valued, and the stipulations in my contract are being honored. Today my employer has made me aware of an issue or two regarding my pay that has me very concerned.

In August I may not be working 120 hours, which is the standard number of hours for a full-time teacher, as you would expect anything exceeding these hours would be overtime. I was just informed to my chagrin that if I do not work the full 120 hours that month that my pay will be pro-rated. Based on my calculations it won't be a significant loss but I was under the impression that I signed on to a base salary. Maybe this is just my own understanding of this term but shouldn't that mean the minimum expected pay? I don't see how it is any of my concern whether or not there are enough hours available. The wording of the contract is unclear to me and perhaps this gives them the ability to interpret my situation to their advantage (surprise surprise!). Still, I would like to know where I stand and how much pressure I should be putting on my employer to resolve this issue.

I am going to copy some of the relevant sections from the contract and see if anyone can help me with this issue. Please read my summary and further questions below this extract from my contract.

4. Regular Hours of Employment and Salary:
As a full time instructor, the �employee� will work Monday to Friday (excluding Saturday and Sunday) for a total of 40 hours a week. 30 hours will be devoted to teaching while the remaining 10 hours will be used as preparation time. All classes exceeding 30 hours per week will be considered OVERTIME, and will be paid with the properly issued overtime salary of 20,000won/hour.
School events aforementioned in section 1 are not considered overtime pay.
The base salary paid for regular hours of employment will be 2,300,000 won per month. The salary will be paid to the �employee� once per month without delay on the tenth of each month. The payment will include services rendered from the first day to the last day of the previous calendar month. In case the �employee� did not work the entire month, for example, the first or last month of a contract, the salary will be prorated according to the number of days worked for the month.
- The �employee� may be required to teach overtime.
- The �employee� may be required to work on a Saturday twice a year. In such an event, the �employee� will be provided with a weekday off instead.


Now does this section of my contract truly give my employer the right to pro-rate my salary based on the total number of hours I work in a month? It may only be a few months of the year, between the intensive and regular periods that I will not fulfill the 120 hours. Still I think this might set a precedent for taking more hours away from me whenever it might suit the employer. Also during the intensive period I was working overtime hours some weeks and less than 30 hours other weeks in the same month. So my hours ended up getting shifted to cover the gaps in the weeks where I was working less. This seems kind of fishy to me too, and I was willing to let this slide because at the end of the day I was technically working a little bit less the other weeks. I will make this an issue if my salary is pro-rated for working less than 20 hours during the other months. The reason I think this might be an issue is because the contract specifically states that overtime is based on hours in excess of 30 per week (not a total exceeding 120 hours a month). Lastly, I was wondering if it was typical to receive a severance bonus at the end of the year if you decide to re-sign the contract. My contract specifically states "Upon completion of this contract" and that "under no circumstances will it be withheld."

Thank you so much for your time!
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have "base pay" of 2,300,000W. That means he can't pay you less even if you work less hours due to paid vacation/sickness/classes being cut back.

Why are you not going to be working 120 hours? Are you taking some time off outside of the school schedule? Did you use a sick day that wasn't authorized?

You should have been paid OT calculated on a weekly basis. I'm pretty sure it is Korean labor law. And besides it explicitly states it in your contract anyway.

Collect your severance at the end of each contract. Do not "roll it over" to your new contract. It really isn't worth the risk in most cases.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was just informed to my chagrin that if I do not work the full 120 hours that month that my pay will be pro-rated.

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So my hours ended up getting shifted to cover the gaps in the weeks where I was working less.


I read these 2 things differently. The first one is negotiable, the second is more serious and needs to be addressed.

Right now, I am working my butt off doing summer classes, but I know it will get easier next week, and then I will have time off but my pay will be exactly the same. Also, I didn't work much (like 11 hours some weeks) and I still got paid in May and June. So, in my case, it would be stupid to make a case now because they have me working 3 or 4 hours more than I contracted for. For this reason, I am putting up with the heat, 2 hour classes, and non-responsive students.

I think being summer, it sucks. However, we just need to put up with it as long as it stops.

Now, I have a big problem with the second thing. Hagwons play these games where they make teacher A teach a lot one week. Then, they have teacher B work a lot the next week. Even though both did overtime hours, it looks like normal hours in the end. This is how schools get around overtime pay. Otherwise, they would have to pay half and half of the difference. This is not a summer break thing. They can do this anytime, and if they are doing it 3 months into your contract, you need to put an end to it.

Personally, I would sympathize with them regarding summer breaks, but I would come to an agreement as the maximum hours per week. Don't try to collect on previous weeks, but make it clear you expect overtime pay if they make you work more than the normal schedule. Figure 3 or so classes for summer, then start the ticker. So, if you agreed to 25 classes, then after 28, overtime should be given.

Being only three months into your contract is not going to help, so you might want to simply keep nagging them about this if they seem to ignore you. If I am not mistaken, it's easier to transfer schools after 6 months. Maybe another teacher can add to this.
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BigJ



Joined: 21 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thought I would give an update.

I talked to my manager and clarified that I am not going to get less than my base pay and I reiterated that it would be a problem if I were to get less than that. So I sorted that issue out by being firm with him. So problem #1 solved.

The only issue now is the overtime pay. I am not sure exactly how to handle this issue because it's quite common even in North America to have your overtime calculated on a monthly basis. I realize my contract states that it's based on anything over the weekly hours but I sympathize with the fact that my total hours for the month will still be around 120.

Obviously I could be pushing for more money but I feel like the only way to get this out of my manager is to have all the teachers rally together. The problem is some of them are too complacent with the way the workplace is handled.

I should clarify that I am teaching between 8 and 9 hours a day, and I like teaching so I can't complain about the hours themselves. Technically it is 13 hours of overtime each week but in August it will only be for about the first two maybe three weeks and then the last week I will only be teaching less than 20 hours a week. So his policy is to transfer some of the overtime hours into that week or two where my teaching hours are less than the standard 30. As I stated in the previous my main concern was receiving my base pay, the overtime is a secondary concern. It would still be nice to receive the overtime for each week but I kind of feel like I am taking advantage because at the end of the day my hours are less.

I should note that the fewer hours are only an issue for June and August because I teach a special kind of intensive program between June and August, so for July I received the full overtime because I worked more than the 120 hours a month or 30 hours a week. Of course I can only take his word for it that I will be receiving a proper schedule in September but after I was firm with him he said he would take care of me and guarantee my base pay.

I can't really complain about anything else, he is generally very nice, he has been very supportive, I have made many mistakes and he has been very forgiving of me, and any time I have needed assistance with things like broken washing machine, bank troubles, and even when I needed help with paying a bill he has been there to lend money.

So any advice with this overtime situation would be appreciated.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I feel like the only way to get this out of my manager is to have all the teachers rally together.


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Technically it is 13 hours of overtime each week


If the school does the same with 2 more teachers, then all three of you are teaching as if there were a 4th teacher. In this case, yes, rally together. If there is only one other teacher, then you need to see how flexible the school is. Are you working a lot while the other teacher has time off? In this case, I wouldn't do anything. Work with it.

13 hours does seem like a lot, and I do have my doubts as far as what actually you are "teaching" more than the norm. Typically, I use about 3 classes as a starting point. If I didn't work much the previous week, I say nothing. If I worked a lot, I take note. If over 2 months there is a steady increase from 3 to 10, then I show this to the school and give them two options: A) less classes, B) overtime.

You could also use the office hours in negotiations. They can substitute office hours for teaching. I know it's not the same, but it's something you throw out to show how unreasonable they are. If they say no to that, then you know you need to look elsewhere.
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