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Why can't Koreans understand Western ages?
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myenglishisno



Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:29 pm    Post subject: Why can't Koreans understand Western ages? Reply with quote

This comes up in my classes a lot when talking about my age and student's ages (usually comes up on the first day actually).

I say I'm ____ age in Korea and ____ age in Canada.

I've tried to explain this before and Koreans just can't seem to get it... it seems about as alien to them as their age system seems to us.

I know that China and Japan don't use this kind of age system. Why does Korea use it? Why are they unaware that every other country in the world counts their age as 0 from birth?

Just curious.
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highstreet



Joined: 13 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are your students kids? That's probably your answer right there.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Why can't Koreans understand Western ages? Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
I've tried to explain this before and Koreans just can't seem to get it... it seems about as alien to them as their age system seems to us.


I think you answered your own question.
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Old fat expat



Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a child is born in Korea, they are in their 1st year. Although a westerner will say they are x months old, a Korean says 1st year. Hence a 15 year-old student (by western age) is in their 16th year. Their answer is correct given how they respond to the age question.

Add to this the use of the Lunar system that results in the birth date moving, and you have your reasons for age that does not fit your sensibilities.

strokes and folks.
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CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 15 year old student could either be in their 16th or 17th year, depending on when her birthday is.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chalk it up to the way so much of the education here seems to be of the "There is only one right answer" variety. Adding a different paradigm is introducing an additional right answer. It just simply does not compute. After some point--different point for each individual--the concept is grasped.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CasperTheFriendlyGhost wrote:
A 15 year old student could either be in their 16th or 17th year, depending on when her birthday is.


Exactly. My birthday is in December, and I can't stand the extra two years added on.

OP, I've never met a Korean adult that can't understand actual ages.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Exactly. My birthday is in December, and I can't stand the extra two years added on.


Mine's in November so I share your pain.

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OP, I've never met a Korean adult that can't understand actual ages.


Especially those around the age of 19 or 20 as those are the ages to legally purchase tobacco and alcohol. (I may be mistaken on the tobacco one, though). The laws here do not take account of "Korean age," just calendar age.
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Zackback



Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks CC for that is extremely important for me to know.
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myenglishisno



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
I chalk it up to the way so much of the education here seems to be of the "There is only one right answer" variety. Adding a different paradigm is introducing an additional right answer. It just simply does not compute. After some point--different point for each individual--the concept is grasped.


That sums it up, I think.

When I taught High School and told the students that kids in Western countries graduate at age 17, I think most of the kids walked away thinking that we graduate earlier than they do (despite my many attempts to explain).
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AtmaWeapon



Joined: 30 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here a year and I still don't fully understand how it works. When you are born you are 9 months old and then everyone turns a year older on LNY, which is a different date every year? Jesus that is confusing. Are there any other countries in the world that have age systems like this?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China. Where do you think Koreans got the idea from? And it's not 9 months old at birth, it's one year. The simplest way to think of it is how old you'll be on your birthday in the year that starts on Lunar New Year, not forgetting to add that one year of course.
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joelove



Joined: 12 May 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The questions "What year were you born?" and "When is your birthday?" can clear things up. I've had some students who really weren't that bad at English stumble trying to answer these though. Maybe it's like using the English names for foods; they're not used to doing so.
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isisaredead



Joined: 18 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
I chalk it up to the way so much of the education here seems to be of the "There is only one right answer" variety. Adding a different paradigm is introducing an additional right answer. It just simply does not compute. After some point--different point for each individual--the concept is grasped.


That sums it up, I think.

When I taught High School and told the students that kids in Western countries graduate at age 17, I think most of the kids walked away thinking that we graduate earlier than they do (despite my many attempts to explain).


creative thinking is not something you'll easily come across in korea.
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AtmaWeapon wrote:
I've been here a year and I still don't fully understand how it works. When you are born you are 9 months old and then everyone turns a year older on LNY, which is a different date every year? Jesus that is confusing. Are there any other countries in the world that have age systems like this?


The being born and 9 months old thing is a misunderstanding or mistranslated. Even some Koreans mistakenly use this as part of the explanation between age systems. Date of conception has no bearing on their Korean age at all.

The rule for Korean age can best be summed up with this question:
How many calendar years (as in 1990, 1991, etc..) have you seen?

A child born on January 1st 2011 has only seen the year 2011, and thus, is 1.

A child born on December 30th 2010 has seen two years (2010, and 2011) and is 2.
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