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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: Good Hagwon? |
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I really want to go to Korea to save money so that I can teach in Thailand without struggling financially my first year there. The thing that is stopping me is the horror stories about Hagwons. I don't want to get screwed out of money so that is why I am hesitant to go to Korea. If i get into trouble I don't know anyone that could help me. I have heard about trying to contact teachers at hagwons to ask them about their job through e-mail, but what if they won't tell the truth if their Hagwon is bad for fear of losing their job. So i guess my question is, how common are bad Hagwons? |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Good Hagwon? |
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Warhammer820 wrote: |
I really want to go to Korea to save money so that I can teach in Thailand without struggling financially my first year there. The thing that is stopping me is the horror stories about Hagwons. I don't want to get screwed out of money so that is why I am hesitant to go to Korea. If i get into trouble I don't know anyone that could help me. I have heard about trying to contact teachers at hagwons to ask them about their job through e-mail, but what if they won't tell the truth if their Hagwon is bad for fear of losing their job. So i guess my question is, how common are bad Hagwons? |
pretty common.
but you'll never know unless you try. all you can really do is do your research and hope your hagwon is a good one.
my first hagwon i'm convinced is THE best hagwon in all of korea to start with for first timers. my second one lied through their teeth and i pulled a runner after a month. good luck rolling the dice. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Good Hagwon? |
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Warhammer820 wrote: |
I really want to go to Korea to save money so that I can teach in Thailand without struggling financially my first year there. The thing that is stopping me is the horror stories about Hagwons. I don't want to get screwed out of money so that is why I am hesitant to go to Korea. If i get into trouble I don't know anyone that could help me. I have heard about trying to contact teachers at hagwons to ask them about their job through e-mail, but what if they won't tell the truth if their Hagwon is bad for fear of losing their job. So i guess my question is, how common are bad Hagwons? |
lots of good, and lots of bad. i'd say maybe, if u do ur research well, u can make it more of a 70/30 split, but there'll still b shades of grey. some in the 70% of "good" can quickly turn "bad", and the reverse can b true(but less likely). however, "how" good is the "good" and how "bad" is the "bad" is the real question...there r some REALLY awful places here(less than 5%?) as there r some REALLY great places here(less than 5%?). |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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OP if you're that paranoid you should stick to big chains like ybm and avalon. those are known to at least HONOR their contracts even though they may not be the best gigs.
of course don't be a moron and sign a contract at slp, cdi, and then come back here whining because you're getting screwed over. |
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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thanks everyone for your helpful advice. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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I work for a "good" hagwon. Low hours, pay is always on time, nice management. It's plagued by some of the common hagwon problems, such as changes at a moment's notice and some weird educational systems, but the environment is nice, the location and apartment are better than most, and the kids are really smart and fun to teach. There's no way to find a "good" hagwon, you just have to do as much research (call current teachers, search for online blogs of teachers who work there, etc) and then give it a shot if you find one that works for you. Read up on here about shady school practices (taking your degree, not enrolling you in the pension, whatever) and then start sending recruiters e-mails. Good luck. |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011 Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Good hagwon? Good luck.  |
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mollayo
Joined: 11 Oct 2010 Location: At the my house
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I thought I had a good hogwan...until I got to my 11th month. |
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Are bad Hagwons really that common as the stories say anyway? The stories make it seem like half the hagwons don't pay you. |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Good Hagwon? |
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Warhammer820 wrote: |
I have heard about trying to contact teachers at hagwons to ask them about their job through e-mail, but what if they won't tell the truth if their Hagwon is bad for fear of losing their job. So i guess my question is, how common are bad Hagwons? |
I haven't met one hogwan teacher that has liked their job. You'd be better off trying to get a position at a public school but even that is not guaranteed to be a good experience. Good luck. |
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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so if I understand correctly, if a Hagwon does not pay me I can go to The Labor Board to make the Hagwon pay me? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Warhammer820 wrote: |
so if I understand correctly, if a Hagwon does not pay me I can go to The Labor Board to make the Hagwon pay me? |
Yes, IF they are more than 14 days delinquent you can go to the labor board, and file a claim. They will schedule a hearing and they will force payment of unpaid wages or begin other legal proceedings as necessary.
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Well, if I go to Korea it will be for the money. So this is why I am trying to figure out as much as possible. I am definitely going to Thailand to teach though. |
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Of course a culture experience too. |
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sallymonster

Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Location: Seattle area
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I work at a good hagwon. Great hours, only 26 classes per week and always less than 7 work hours per day, pay on time and in full, a kind and supportive director who doesn't micromanage (I hardly even see her day-to-day), national health insurance (yes, I have the booklet), and overall a well-managed school!
My hagwon is definitely much better than the GEPIK school I used to work at, where I had mostly useless co-teachers, huge classes (even the after-school classes were big), very little support, and mandatory overtime! (I have to say, the overtime pay was good, but I hated teaching those after-school classes). When I worked at a public school, I woke up every weekday morning dreading going to work. That doesn't happen now that I'm at a hagwon.
My hagwon isn't a part of a chain, it's a mom 'n pop type place that has been in business for 10 years now. I didn't get this job through a recruiter. I was interviewed and hired directly by the school. Before accepting the position I spoke with 3/4 of the foreign teachers working at the school (2 of them in person, 1 on Skype), which everyone should do when offered ANY teaching position in Korea. Being already in Korea, I also checked out my future apartment before accepting.
I guess you can say that I'm really lucky. Of course, it also helps that I was in Korea during that job search. |
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