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What does a 2nd year teacher earn?

 
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mtfirefly



Joined: 01 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:29 am    Post subject: What does a 2nd year teacher earn? Reply with quote

I realize that its hard to answer this question since there are so many variables to consider, but figured I'd try. I am getting close to finishing my 1st year teaching in Korea and want to do a 2nd. I'm working at a hagwon (SLP - Sogang Language Program specifically) and despite all the horrible things that other people have experienced with them, I've had a very good experience working with them. That being said, I've been trying to find some information online about what I can expect to earn as a 2nd year teacher but I haven't had any luck.

The only information I find is for 1st year teachers and the pay is basically the same (2.0-2.2 mil). Now, my degree isn't in education but I hope I could make more with 1 year experience. So, what can I expect signing on for a 2nd year with my school?
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furtakk



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you stay at the same school, it's pretty fair to ask for around 2-300 extra a month. They are saving on recruiting fees, airplane tickets, and visa fees. Not to mention that they have a sure thing and don't have to worry about the new teacher not doing well.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They aren't saving much on airfare unless you choose not to fly anywhere during your time between contracts. Personally, I only average 6 months at these schools, so I don't bother worrying about airfare issues. However, if you have completed one year, you might want to try to get a flight home and back paid for by the school. Whether or not this is normal now with the budget cuts, I don't know. I do know teachers that did this and their pay also went up when they returned.

As far as getting paid more, figure 100,000 for each factor. So, automatically, it should be 100,000 more than your first contract states. Next, consider any training you may have gotten. Has your workload increased? A friend of mine was at 2.4 and he worked his butt off with high school classes and regular hagwon classes. He got a flight home between contracts and came back with 2.7. I don't know if you can expect 250,000 though. If they won't give you a flight home and back, then I think 200,000 is a better request settling with 150,000.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

furtakk wrote:
If you stay at the same school, it's pretty fair to ask for around 2-300 extra a month. They are saving on recruiting fees, airplane tickets, and visa fees. Not to mention that they have a sure thing and don't have to worry about the new teacher not doing well.


Recruiting fee tends to be around 800 000W to 1.1M so between 66 000W to 92 000W per month.

Staying at the same school does not typically save them on airfare unless the teacher decides not to take a break between contracts.

The visa still ha to be paid for as it will be an extended or new E2. The teacher may have to be flown on a visa run as well.

So all this being said, staying at the same school, you could ask for a 100 000 - 200 000W raise, depending on how you did.

Going to a new school can mean staying at nearly the same pay or getting a marginal raise because one year of experience is not a whole lot.

However, looking for work LOCALLY can turn up better jobs and allow a teacher to visit schools and possibly see the accomodations. That is no small advantage.
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also consider asking for other perks. Like an extra week of vacation, get AC if you don't have it yet, etc...
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you honestly think most hagwons would be willing to up your pay 200-300 after one year? i feel most would rather just hire another newbie for 2.1 than meet your offer, at least that's the vibe i get from this forum.

my first hagwon, which was the perfect place to START in korea imo, was guilty of this. no one extended a year because they wouldn't up the pay.

i can't speak for public schools.

asking for another week of vacation is a great idea.
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Theme



Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: more benefits rather than pay Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
do you honestly think most hagwons would be willing to up your pay 200-300 after one year? i feel most would rather just hire another newbie for 2.1 than meet your offer, at least that's the vibe i get from this forum.

my first hagwon, which was the perfect place to START in korea imo, was guilty of this. no one extended a year because they wouldn't up the pay.

i can't speak for public schools.

asking for another week of vacation is a great idea.


Its a great idea - and makes sense. The school could give its employee something other than more pay in the second year.

Try explaining that to most employers.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: more benefits rather than pay Reply with quote

[quote="Theme"]
marsavalanche wrote:
do you honestly think most hagwons would be willing to up your pay 200-300 after one year? i feel most would rather just hire another newbie for 2.1 than meet your offer, at least that's the vibe i get from this forum.

my first hagwon, which was the perfect place to START in korea imo, was guilty of this. no one extended a year because they wouldn't up the pay.

i can't speak for public schools.

asking for another week of vacation is a great idea.


Its a great idea - and makes sense. The school could give its employee something other than more pay in the second year.

Try explaining that to most employers.[/quote]


Not that hard and quite doable if you know HOW to negociate....
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minos



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way to go up in pay and benefits is to change jobs. Even then, your likely to only hit about 2.3, but you'll get easier hours than SLP. Unless you move to a UNI or SAT hagwon which pay more.

Some hagwons(and public/private schools) offer lots of lucrative extra work.

Most of the higher pay comes from having a string of privates and side work.

Highest I've ever earned at base pay(no side work on the job) was 2.7....but they're out of your league.

Some places offer 2.5, but they're pretty competitive just for that extra 200. Places that pay 3.0 mil and up are out of your league without experience and/or a edu. degree/ivy degree
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Carbon



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of this really depends on the teacher's performance. Are you worth more of anything? That is the key question that most people are incapable of answering themselves, as for most, being objective regarding one's performance is tough.

Generally, a renewal should have some perk, but in reality, don't expect or ask for much unless you really are doing something extraordinary (and you are sure the school knows it).
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

minos wrote:
The only way to go up in pay and benefits is to change jobs. Even then, your likely to only hit about 2.3, but you'll get easier hours than SLP. Unless you move to a UNI or SAT hagwon which pay more.

Some hagwons(and public/private schools) offer lots of lucrative extra work.

Most of the higher pay comes from having a string of privates and side work.

Highest I've ever earned at base pay(no side work on the job) was 2.7....but they're out of your league.

Some places offer 2.5, but they're pretty competitive just for that extra 200. Places that pay 3.0 mil and up are out of your league without experience and/or a edu. degree/ivy degree


this seems more realistic based on what i read from these forums
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon wrote:
All of this really depends on the teacher's performance. Are you worth more of anything? That is the key question that most people are incapable of answering themselves, as for most, being objective regarding one's performance is tough.

Generally, a renewal should have some perk, but in reality, don't expect or ask for much unless you really are doing something extraordinary (and you are sure the school knows it).


This is right. But I don't think you need to be "extraordinary". You just need to be worth more than the risk of bringing in a newbie (which means higher than average student retention rates, no personality clashes, and reliable)

After my first year I renewed my contract with a hagwon and they raised my pay 100,000W/month and gave me 3 extra vacation days (plus they let me take an extra 3 days off during the first year when my family visited).

If your hagwon owner is not an idiot and he values you because you keep students at the school and have been a factor in bringing more business to his hagwon, he will give you a raise. He definitely will not risk bringing in some other newbie, with the student turn over that will happen.

Especially if the other teachers at your school are worse than you.

Unless of course, he is an idiot. Or you have not proven to him over the year that you are worth the extra money.

A good way to judge if you are doing well is by comparing how many students are in your classes now as opposed to when you started. Did the number go up? Have you had the same students for almost the whole time? Did you get many complaints? It's not 100% accurate but it's as good a gauge as any.

Most people I know have always been able to negotiate more pay if they are any good.
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jeremysums



Joined: 08 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you teach in Korea and be a recruiter at the same time?

furtakk wrote:
If you stay at the same school, it's pretty fair to ask for around 2-300 extra a month. They are saving on recruiting fees, airplane tickets, and visa fees. Not to mention that they have a sure thing and don't have to worry about the new teacher not doing well.
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