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gingercat



Joined: 06 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:55 am    Post subject: Fat teachers? Reply with quote

Like any good American, I eat too much - and it shows! Ha. I know Korea won't hire fat teachers, but what about other Asian countries? And how come when I go on YouTube and search for "teaching ESL in korea" I sometimes get a video of portly, dumpy looking men teaching. I don't understand how they got jobs?

And what about outside of Korea - is any part of Europe more open minded?
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not know what you have been drinking but Korea does hire overweight people to teach....

Just apply.
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emmajuno



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I know a fair few overweight teachers. And I'm a bit on the chubby side myself. They hire you, you just have to put up with "teacher, my teacher is imshin (pregnant). You imshin?" and my friend had the guy taking her from the airport arrivals terminal to the bus stop tell her "people in Korea are going to think you're fat." three times in 5 minutes.
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gingercat



Joined: 06 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
I do not know what you have been drinking but Korea does hire overweight people to teach....

Just apply.


Would it be prudent to focus on areas other than Seoul? I imagine the competition is steeper there, so being attractive might come into play?

I should have added that although I'm overweight, I'm certainly mobile and everything. I am very fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed naturally. Would that help any?
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gingercat



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmajuno wrote:
Yeah, I know a fair few overweight teachers. And I'm a bit on the chubby side myself. They hire you, you just have to put up with "teacher, my teacher is imshin (pregnant). You imshin?" and my friend had the guy taking her from the airport arrivals terminal to the bus stop tell her "people in Korea are going to think you're fat." three times in 5 minutes.


LOL fortunately I have a good head on my shoulders. I could care less if they call me fat, I am what I am. Hell I'd probably just say "Yes, I'm pregnant. And the baby can hear you, button up!"
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gingercat wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
I do not know what you have been drinking but Korea does hire overweight people to teach....

Just apply.


Would it be prudent to focus on areas other than Seoul? I imagine the competition is steeper there, so being attractive might come into play?

I should have added that although I'm overweight, I'm certainly mobile and everything. I am very fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed naturally. Would that help any?


Well, these questions of yours are either odd, uninformed or you are trolling. Not quite sure which one yet.

Why not contact recruiters and see what happens instead of asking these questions here?
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
gingercat wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
I do not know what you have been drinking but Korea does hire overweight people to teach....

Just apply.


Would it be prudent to focus on areas other than Seoul? I imagine the competition is steeper there, so being attractive might come into play?

I should have added that although I'm overweight, I'm certainly mobile and everything. I am very fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed naturally. Would that help any?


Well, these questions of yours are either odd, uninformed or you are trolling. Not quite sure which one yet.

Why not contact recruiters and see what happens instead of asking these questions here?


What Paddy can't say is "Of course those other attributes would help."

That's just the way it is.
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mugshotz



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm overweight myself, and while I hope to lose weight while teaching in Korea in the near future, I feel that being overweight can be a blessing in disguise for the process of applying for a first job. I have heard that many schools don't care about your credentials, just what you look like. I have no desire to work for people such as this so if my being heavy prevents them from offering me a job...fine. I'm aware that it may take a little longer because of my appearance, but I'm hoping to find a school that wants to hire me for my teaching skills/experience and how these skills can benefit the students. So, OP, unless you want to work for a boss who is only interested in his/her employees' sex appeal, count your blessings and hope it helps you find a school with who you are.
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mugshotz



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
gingercat wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
I do not know what you have been drinking but Korea does hire overweight people to teach....

Just apply.


Would it be prudent to focus on areas other than Seoul? I imagine the competition is steeper there, so being attractive might come into play?

I should have added that although I'm overweight, I'm certainly mobile and everything. I am very fair skinned, blonde and blue eyed naturally. Would that help any?


Well, these questions of yours are either odd, uninformed or you are trolling. Not quite sure which one yet.

Why not contact recruiters and see what happens instead of asking these questions here?



To be fair I do not think the OP is trolling or uninformed. Maybe because I am in the same boat, I can relate, but as someone who has not set foot in Korea, I would trust those who have already taught there (which I assume is a majority of the posters here) over a recruiter who may or may not be motivated to look out for the best interests of the prospective teachers. As an experienced teacher in the States, I am always willing to help new/prospective teachers in almost any way learn the ropes. I find that many people (and this includes yourself from what I have observed) are experienced teachers in Korea and seem to be willing to help each other and us newbies out from time to time. I hope to be able to do the same in the future but until then, I hope to learn from this site and appreciate and help that people give. I know this is cliche, but the only dumb question is the one not asked (especially regarding a potentially MAJOR life decision)!

To you, Patrick, as well as anyone else, I would like to thank you for any help given to me or anyone else (as it can still be helpful to me to read it) whether it be in the past or future. I just hope everyone can understand that us inexperienced people will have questions from time to time that may seem dumb/obvious/etc. to someone who is experienced, but we are just trying to make the most informed choices possible.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions are great and inexperience can lead to numerous questions.

Still, I found the OPs line of questions to be odd. No big deal and I wish him/her well.

Recruiters do not look out for an applicant. They put an applicant in contact with an employer. That is the extent of their mandate. They do not represent teachers they place, they offer a networking service. You (teacher) do not pay a recruiter one cent, hence they do not represent you.

Concerning learning the ropes, I will and have helped any teacher who contacts me with serious questions and a willingness to work hard and learn.

As for looks (as in being good looking) their impact is largely exagerated by people on here who need a quick cop out explanation. A simple look at the foreign teachers you meet in Korea invalidates the good looking blondes only argument.

Anyway, people are free to believe what they want.

To the OP, you want practical advice, here goes:

1- Get ALL your documents in order and in hand BEFORE you apply.

2- Figure out your preferences (reasonably) before applying (city vs countryside, teaching kids or adults...)

3- Contact recruiters or schools directly and APPLY.

4- Present yourself professionally. This means an error free and concise CV, a cover letter if required and a professional looking picture.



Cheers
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are definitely some employers who will hire you predominantly because of your appearance or complexion, but judging by the number of lardies trundling around, I think you stand a fairly good chance of finding a job. Good luck with your job hunt.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Fat teachers? Reply with quote

gingercat wrote:
Like any good American, I eat too much - and it shows! Ha. I know Korea won't hire fat teachers, but what about other Asian countries? And how come when I go on YouTube and search for "teaching ESL in korea" I sometimes get a video of portly, dumpy looking men teaching. I don't understand how they got jobs?

And what about outside of Korea - is any part of Europe more open minded?


It depends on how portly is portly. I am certainly not young, fit and trim and I have had no problems getting employment (but I also not a newbie).

As an American, western Europe is off your radar (can't get a visa unless you hold a PhD.).
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minos



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Location: kOREA

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mugshotz wrote:
I'm overweight myself, and while I hope to lose weight while teaching in Korea in the near future, I feel that being overweight can be a blessing in disguise for the process of applying for a first job. I have heard that many schools don't care about your credentials, just what you look like. I have no desire to work for people such as this so if my being heavy prevents them from offering me a job...fine. I'm aware that it may take a little longer because of my appearance, but I'm hoping to find a school that wants to hire me for my teaching skills/experience and how these skills can benefit the students. So, OP, unless you want to work for a boss who is only interested in his/her employees' sex appeal, count your blessings and hope it helps you find a school with who you are.


All korean companies hire by looks. If you had good exp. or teaching degrees it matters much less. Best teacher I ever saw was a fat guy here.

If you have neither experience or the right degrees....of course they hire on looks and accent.....what else will they go on?
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gingercat



Joined: 06 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mugshotz wrote:


To be fair I do not think the OP is trolling or uninformed. Maybe because I am in the same boat, I can relate, but as someone who has not set foot in Korea, I would trust those who have already taught there (which I assume is a majority of the posters here) over a recruiter who may or may not be motivated to look out for the best interests of the prospective teachers. As an experienced teacher in the States, I am always willing to help new/prospective teachers in almost any way learn the ropes. I find that many people (and this includes yourself from what I have observed) are experienced teachers in Korea and seem to be willing to help each other and us newbies out from time to time. I hope to be able to do the same in the future but until then, I hope to learn from this site and appreciate and help that people give. I know this is cliche, but the only dumb question is the one not asked (especially regarding a potentially MAJOR life decision)!



Thank you for this, and also to Patrick for following up with a more substantive reply. I can understand that some of our newbie questions might seem ignorant. I guess my question comes from not wanting to spend time writing up cover letters (resume is easier) if I stand no chance. I am pleasantly surprised to hear that weight is not a deal breaker.

As someone else mentioned, I too am hoping to lose weight if I get a job in Korea. I'm already losing weight, but it comes off slowly as I am not crash dieting. I am still getting more teaching cert's here in the U.S. and am giving it another year before I commit to going overseas. This gives me time to 1) lose weight Smile 2) get my docs together and 3) find a job period.
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oldtactics



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly OP, the rumours about Korea not hiring fat teachers seems to be perpetuated more by the expat community than by Korean schools. There are lots of overweight foreigners here, especially in Seoul. They work at hagwons, public schools & universities. Present yourself professionally when you apply and see how things go.
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