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Taiwantroll
Joined: 10 Sep 2006
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 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:50 pm Post subject: RCMP check now required??? |
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Hello,
Someone just told me that to now qualify for a visa you must submit a RCMP check. Local criminal check, even though they are nationwide, are no longer accepted. Is that true? Does that apply if you are re-signing and currently have a visa that was obtained with a local police check?
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Mitsuko
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I used a city of Ottawa criminal background check (after Jan 1, 2011) and it was accepted. I went through hell trying to get a striaght answer out of the Korean embassy, recruiters and k- immigration. As you mentioned, most criminal background checks at the city level in Canada conduct a search using a national database. It should be accepted by immigration - even though they say a RCMP CBC is required. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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The Canadian embassy in Seoul puts out that the RCMP check is required & I've also heard that from other sources. I'm in the same boat of needing to turn in a CRC. When I renewed this july my local immi office got a bit huffy about my not having that (or my certified diploma copy) but they got me to make a verbal promise to get them asap. They gave me my renewal though.
Heres the RCMP CRC process I'm following:
1: Phone the embassy in Seoul & ask them to mail you form C216-C. Its a fingerprint form.
2: Take that to your local copshop & get printed.
3: Mail it to a family member or friend (along with a letter authorizing that person to be your proxy).
4. They take those to their local RCMP office (with a money order for $25). That office mails the results back to them. Will likely take a while.
5. They take that to the Korean consulate & get it stamped ($50).
6. They mail it back to you.
Without someone to do the legwork for you back in Canada, I'm sure it gets much more complicated. Maybe a local police check could fly with local K-immi but I'm in a position where I dont need to chance it.
Best of luck! |
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Taiwantroll
Joined: 10 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey schwa, rather formal explanation for an old friend. How have you been keeping? It's been a long time since we talked. I miss you. Maybe I can make a trip up there sometime and we can go for a drink.
Ryan |
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PaulPizzazz
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:29 am Post subject: |
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I've begun this process as well, giving myself time before I have to do a renewal in December. I spent a while trying to figure out if this RCMP check would in fact be 100% required in the future, and it appears it will.
I've been in contact with the embassy, and there is a difference between what I am doing and this poster:
schwa wrote:
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Heres the RCMP CRC process I'm following:
1: Phone the embassy in Seoul & ask them to mail you form C216-C. Its a fingerprint form.
2: Take that to your local copshop & get printed.
3: Mail it to a family member or friend (along with a letter authorizing that person to be your proxy).
4. They take those to their local RCMP office (with a money order for $25). That office mails the results back to them. Will likely take a while.
5. They take that to the Korean consulate & get it stamped ($50).
6. They mail it back to you. |
3. You can mail the application form and money order directly to the RCMP, the address is on the form. The Money order can be bought at a Korean bank, for the equivalent of $25CND.
4. I've included my father's address on the form along with a "Third Party Consent Letter" giving the RCMP permission to mail it to him when it's ready.
5. My father will simply mail it to me ExpressPost once he receives it.
6. I take it to the Canadian Embassy in Seoul myself, along with the equivalent of $50CND, and they certify/apostille it.
.. then finally take that to the Korean immigration office.
So in fact, the only thing anyone in Canada is doing for me, is receiving it in the mail and sending it to me themselves.
My co-worker just got hers back from the RCMP, directly mailed to her from their office.
That is to say that she did not have anyone back home have any part in getting this CBC to/ready for her. She put her Korean address on the fingerprint form.
Point is, you can get everything done on your own from within Korea!!!
You simply need 4 to 5 months for it to be done that way (3 month processing time + whatever time for shipping, which will surely be regular post if sent directly to you from the RCMP).
Anyway, call the embassy first and they will mail you the info needed to get yourself started. They also have an employee who was quite helpful when I had extra questions.
good luck,
Paul |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:50 am Post subject: |
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According to Kimmi, they will NO LONGER accept the Canadian embassy affidavit of authenticity for your CRC or degree (photo)copy.
These 2 documents now NEED to be certified by a Korean consulate in Canada (a process than also needs the degree copy to be certified as a true copy of the original by a notary or JP prior to certification).
The process can be done by proxy (a friend or family member) or can be done by mail.
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PaulPizzazz
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz:
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According to Kimmi, they will NO LONGER accept the Canadian embassy affidavit of authenticity for your CRC or degree (photo)copy.
These 2 documents now NEED to be certified by a Korean consulate in Canada |
Well, the carousel of changing information never ends.
I just got off the phone with a consular officer at the Canadian Embassy in Seoul and she said as of now that the embassy still has the authority to apply the affidavit of authenticity to the RCMP CBC (notarized, equivalent of getting an apostille) .
She said that there is still some confusion floating around on this subject. She said that the degree must be notarized by a Korean Consulate/Embassy in Canada, but that the CBC can be done here in Seoul.
I then told her that a very informed poster/member of the ESL community has stated that the CBC must be notarized in Canada as Kimmi will no longer accept it being done in Korea. She said that was the first she had heard of it, and that in fact someone had just come in this morning to have it done at the C.E.
Yet she did agree about the fact that regulations and requirements are in a constant state of flux and so that perhaps within the next little while, the rules (as far as she understand them) could change again.
In my case, it will be 4 months before I get my RCMP CBC, at which time I will re-investigate the situation to see where I can/need to get this document certified.
Thanks to those who have posted, hopefully all this helps anyone who will soon need to start the process.
Start applying for yours ASAP.. there's no getting around the fact you'll need it.
Paul |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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ttompatz:
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According to Kimmi, they will NO LONGER accept the Canadian embassy affidavit of authenticity for your CRC or degree (photo)copy.
These 2 documents now NEED to be certified by a Korean consulate in Canada |
Well, the carousel of changing information never ends.
I just got off the phone with a consular officer at the Canadian Embassy in Seoul and she said as of now that the embassy still has the authority to apply the affidavit of authenticity to the RCMP CBC (notarized, equivalent of getting an apostille) .
She said that there is still some confusion floating around on this subject. She said that the degree must be notarized by a Korean Consulate/Embassy in Canada, but that the CBC can be done here in Seoul.
I then told her that a very informed poster/member of the ESL community has stated that the CBC must be notarized in Canada as Kimmi will no longer accept it being done in Korea. She said that was the first she had heard of it, and that in fact someone had just come in this morning to have it done at the C.E.
Yet she did agree about the fact that regulations and requirements are in a constant state of flux and so that perhaps within the next little while, the rules (as far as she understand them) could change again.
In my case, it will be 4 months before I get my RCMP CBC, at which time I will re-investigate the situation to see where I can/need to get this document certified.
Thanks to those who have posted, hopefully all this helps anyone who will soon need to start the process.
Start applying for yours ASAP.. there's no getting around the fact you'll need it.
Paul |
She was correct, the embassy still has the authority to issue the affidavit but K-immigration has publicly stated (for the last 9 months now) that they will no longer accept it.
You can listen to the clerk at the embassy (who is NOT connected to Kimmi) or listen to Kimmi (the people who will refuse your affidavit and require K-consular certification.)
But hey, what do I know.
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
You can listen to the clerk at the embassy (who is NOT connected to Kimmi) or listen to Kimmi (the people who will refuse your affidavit and require K-consular certification.)
But hey, what do I know.
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Tom you know more then everyone!
Also OP. Take 'it worked for me's" and "last time's I ..." with a big grain of salt. What works for one person does not always mean it will work for you. That does not mean do not try. Using another CRC might work and is easier to get or just quicker (3 months versus 1 week). Go ahead get them BUT still get the RCMP fingerprint check done too. Hey if that local check works out great - but if things fall flat you can pick yourself up and be back in the fight a whole lot quicker.
Also be very wary of officials. Half the time they are half correct, half the time they are on the dot and all the time they are wrong. (Yes I know the math is bad). Korean officials and even the Canadian ones are pretty dense and lazy. Expect to hear yaya's as they will want to get this conversation done and over with so they can go back to their facebook or naver. My advice is ask as many people as you can. Ask multiple times. The more info you have better.
In the end - over prepare - do not get one check - get two. If possible get it done two different ways. Spend that money! it is better to waste 50 dollars in expenses and get a check that is not used or 1000 dollars on plane ticket back because you are not ready or some official says no go.
Good Luck - me I am in the same boat right now. Trying to figure out what to do. I am wondering if a name check done by a third party is usable? |
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Speedling
Joined: 08 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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My girlfriend and I were both issued visas using Royal Newfoundland Constabulary Code of Conduct certificates. They came with an official letter stating that it was a national CPIC database CBC and that we had no criminal records.. Mine was accepted in June, hers was accepted last week. Both by Incheon Immigration. They cost us $20 and were ready in a few hours.
I know its a bit pricey to take the risk. But sitting on your hands for 3 months waiting for a RCMP CBC is even pricier. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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No cheek swabs? No fingernail and hair samples?
Sheezh! |
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Chet Wautlands
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I have a few questions.
Very briefly, I finish my current contract at the end of December. I would like to apply for a university position (March start), but I won't have my MA finished until May (doing it distance).
1) I have had someone in Canada send me a money order, but it has not yet arrived. Assuming it never does ( a strong possibility), at what bank can in Korea can I get a money order that the RCMP will accept?
2) I will be going back to Canada at the end of my contract. Assuming that I interview and get a job here in Korea before I head home, could I just get my CBC while I'm back in Canada? I would assume yes, but perhaps interviewers want applicants to have all documents in hand.
Thanks in advance. |
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PaulPizzazz
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: |
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I have a few questions.
Very briefly, I finish my current contract at the end of December. I would like to apply for a university position (March start), but I won't have my MA finished until May (doing it distance).
1) I have had someone in Canada send me a money order, but it has not yet arrived. Assuming it never does ( a strong possibility), at what bank can in Korea can I get a money order that the RCMP will accept?
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1) I got my money order at the KEB bank in Itaewon, my co-worker got hers at the KB bank in Itaewon.
I would assume KEB banks throughout Korea should offer money orders, as they are the "international friendly" bank of this country. Couldn't say about other banks, just go in, ask and find out.
The RCMP should accept any money order from a Korean bank, as long as it's made out in $25CND. Which cost me about 32,000won (including the banks 5000won fee) |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Mitsuko wrote: |
| I used a city of Ottawa criminal background check (after Jan 1, 2011) and it was accepted. |
I second this. Immigration accepted my criminal check through Ottawa. I had it notarized in 2008 and it was accepted. Last month, I just had my Visa extended for another year. I submitted a notarized copy of my degree and crossed my fingers that my criminal check would be accepted. And it was.
Immigration, it appears, is indeed recognizing city checks (in Canada) as all checks use the RCMP database.
City checks are much much easier to get. My mother got mine for me (I filled out paperwork here in Korea, mailed it to her, she took it to the Ottawa Police, paid the fee. The police mailed it to the Embassy here. The Embassy called me. I went in, paid 50,000 won and they notarized it. The whole process took 3 weeks. (and I used snail mail and I'm assuming the police did too).
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