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[Junior]

..and nobody cares...

Iranian bombing of Kurd rebels displaces 200 families
August 2, 2011

More than 200 Iraqi Kurdish families have been forced from their homes by weeks of Iranian shelling of separatist rebel bases in northern Iraq, local officials and an NGO said on Tuesday.

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=296830

[Leon]

I care, so um, what's your point? Please tell me that you support the separtist Kurds movements desire for their own country, that would bring me lots of amusement.

[northway]

Junior posts this stuff because he thinks that opposition to Israel's actions is based in antisemitism rather than any actual care for the Palestinian people.

[Leon]

[Junior]

[Leon]

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[Leon]

Lets play a game Junior, you say that nobody cares about the poor Kurds. I think that you yourself don't care at all about them, but only about the poor Israelies. So for this thread, I won't talk about Israel, but only about the Kurds. I'm interested to see if my hypothesis was correct or not. My position is that the Kurds will never have their own state, as Kurdistan covers Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Syria. If they were only based in one, or two countries, then they'd have a chance. As such none of thoose countries want to lose territory, so they will exert pressure on the others to stay strong on the Kurdish issue. Every country with Kurds in them have commited attrocities against them. Many consider Kurdish militia's terrorsit groups. I generally support groups rights to self determination, especially a large group with a distinct culture and a history of self governance. I think that if they can make messing with Kurdistan a losing proposition than eventually they can have more self rule, like they do in Iraq. One of histories most overlooked tragedies.

[Junior]

[Junior]

Myths of the Middle East
Posted: October 11, 2000
1:00 am Eastern

By Joseph Farah
� 2011 WND

I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by disputes over the Temple Mount.

Until now, I haven't even bothered to say, "See, I told you so." But I can't resist any longer. I feel compelled to remind you of the column I wrote just a couple weeks before the latest uprising. Yeah, folks, I predicted it. That's OK. Hold your applause.

After all, I wish I had been wrong. More than 80 people have been killed since the current fighting in and around Jerusalem began. And for what?

If you believe what you read in most news sources, Palestinians want a homeland and Muslims want control over sites they consider holy. Simple, right?

Well, as an Arab-American journalist who has spent some time in the Middle East dodging more than my share of rocks and mortar shells, I've got to tell you that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making and land-grabbing.

Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

"Well, Farah," you might say, "that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem."

That's true. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.

Shocked? You should be. I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It's just not politically correct.

I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy sites."

Not true. In fact, the Quran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Muhammad ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Quran, the 17th Sura, entitled "The Night Journey." It relates that in a dream or a vision Muhammad was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. ..." In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with Jerusalem gets -- myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.

The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's like. I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?

So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.

Read more: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15066#ixzz1Um1vZKzF

[Junior]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen

[Leon]

I thought this thread was about the Kurds.

[northway]

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