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wombatsincombat



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
Location: United States

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Living in Korea with family (wife and baby) Reply with quote

Hello everyone!

The FBI background check is being apostilled and things are about to be underway! We've waited what seems like FOREVER and now we're finally going to get to go live in Korea.

Here is what makes us special:

We are a Dad, a Mom, and a baby (6.5 months today). Mom and baby plan on staying home and we have had a VERY hard time finding schools to work with us! We wanted to be in a big city like Busan, but no one would let 3 people live in an itty studio and no one would give us an office-tel. So we have had to change our high hopes of a big city and set our eyes on rural Korea. I have been offered a job in Janheung, which is in Jeolloanam and have signed the initial contracts.

Are we crazy for going to rural korea?
What should we do to prepare ourselves for rural korea?
How should we prepare for living in Korea with a baby?!
We have no idea what we should leave at home and what we should pack.

ANY help is greatly appreciated! We are excited for the adventure, we would just like a few friends and a bit of advice!!!!

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R,T,e
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Living in Korea with family (wife and baby) Reply with quote

wombatsincombat wrote:
Hello everyone!

The FBI background check is being apostilled and things are about to be underway! We've waited what seems like FOREVER and now we're finally going to get to go live in Korea.

Here is what makes us special:

We are a Dad, a Mom, and a baby (6.5 months today). Mom and baby plan on staying home and we have had a VERY hard time finding schools to work with us! We wanted to be in a big city like Busan, but no one would let 3 people live in an itty studio and no one would give us an office-tel. So we have had to change our high hopes of a big city and set our eyes on rural Korea. I have been offered a job in Janheung, which is in Jeolloanam and have signed the initial contracts.

Are we crazy for going to rural korea?
What should we do to prepare ourselves for rural korea?
How should we prepare for living in Korea with a baby?!
We have no idea what we should leave at home and what we should pack.

ANY help is greatly appreciated! We are excited for the adventure, we would just like a few friends and a bit of advice!!!!

-
R,T,e


I am short of time so I will come back to this later but quick answers to your thoughts:

My family (not Korean wife and our baby born in Korea) did just fine in rural Korea. Your biggest problem will be baby clothes (far more expensive than home) and just adjusting to life in small town Korea (culture shock WILL happen - beyond the tourist feel when you first land).

Things are NOT like home and the two of you should be prepared for that.
Shopping IS different and your wife WILL want to bring spices because she won't find them locally.

You will be your own best support network. Make friends and explore. It is different but not bad and rural Korea is a nice place to raise kids.

Toiletries should be brought (IF you are brand specific). Your favorite brands of everything from toothpaste to deodorant won't be available to you but there will be Korean brands if you want to save space and don't care.

Medical may be an issue if you are working at a hagwan. In spite of what you may have been told or what may be in your contract you can pretty much be assured that you won't have NHIC medical. That said, minor medical is cheap (pediatrics, meds and baby immunizations and should be not far from home).

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wombatsincombat



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
Location: United States

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for your initial help! And if you have time I would appreciate any other advice you have to offer.

I will check with my recruiter about health insurance, that IS a big worry of ours.

I assume we will be able to find all of the baby "equipment" we will need. Mostly we are concerned about a high chair. Is it worth it to bring a stroller? We were really just considering getting a bike with a childs seat attached to it. Does that sound feasible?

The culture shock has us concerned, but like you said, since we have each other we at least have a built in support system. So its more like, what will make the shock easier? I will make sure she stocks up on all our spices and basics before leaving!
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, as someone with a wife (she works) and 1 year old child living in a suburb of Seoul I think you're making a mistake in coming to Korea.
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wombatsincombat



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
Location: United States

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carleverson wrote:
Personally, as someone with a wife (she works) and 1 year old child living in a suburb of Seoul I think you're making a mistake in coming to Korea.


if you have time, would you mind telling me why you would second guess living in korea? or why it was hard on your family?
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, IMO, living in the countryside would be better in your situation because of the costs. Raising a child and supporting a wife on a newbie's salary will not be a cakewalk and being outside of Seoul or Busan will give you a little extra leeway with your cash.

All of your baby equipment will be available here, but as a few others have said, it is more expensive here. You will need to befriend a Korean coworker immediately to help you order things online which can cut the costs down a bit.

Good luck!
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wombatsincombat



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Location: United States

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything I have read it that we will be able to save a bit of money living in Korea. Babies eat very little, so that isnt a cost, and clothes are expensive, but kids dont need many clothes... And we dont eat out often... but it some people make it sound like we will save a grand every paycheck and some make is sound like we wont save a penny...
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carleverson



Joined: 04 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well some of my reasons involve economic issues and cultural/social issues.

First, living in a rural area is a bit tough without the use of a car. I know because I spent my first few years here in a very rural area. If you don't own a car you will have to walk or take public transportation (buses/taxis) everywhere which will be big hassle if you're traveling with your family. Owning a car is not usually that expensive for most people, but on a teacher's salary supporting a family of 3 it becomes a considerable expense. Prices for most things (except maybe housing) in rural areas aren't really cheaper in Korea. Food costs in Korea especially for fresh produce and meat are high and increasing. Kid's clothing? We bough a pair of shoes for our child last week and ended up paying 45,000 won for them! Crying or Very sad Fortunately, my wife gets health insurance for our child through her work. What kind of health care options are you thinking of for your child?

Second, Do you think your family can adjust to being stared at? Being the focus of unwanted attention?? I admit it's kind of nice at first, but after years of constant unwanted attention / stares it becomes a bit suffocating. Also, you will be in a rural area without many of the conveniences / amenities of more populated areas in a foreign country. Not many will be able to speak your language. I hope your ready to deal with this?

Just my humble opinion.
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wombatsincombat



Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the least of our worries I transportation. We are ok with using buses and taxis and bikes... not only are we total homebodies, but we have an infant, so where will we need to go?

Secondly, we are early twenties and an infant. We are both college grads but people look at us like we star in teen mom. We just want somewhere pleasant and beautiful to raise a child and enjoy ou lives, maybe save some money.
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wombatsincombat wrote:
Everything I have read it that we will be able to save a bit of money living in Korea. Babies eat very little, so that isnt a cost, and clothes are expensive, but kids dont need many clothes... And we dont eat out often... but it some people make it sound like we will save a grand every paycheck and some make is sound like we wont save a penny...


Absolutely no way you will save a grand a month supporting yourself and two other people unless the only thing you do every single day is go to work, go home, watch TV and sleep.

Food costs here are getting outrageous in my opinion, especially produce and meat. Whatever you spent on food costs back home, double or triple it if you want to stick to the same kinds of food. That is not to say that you can't eat cheaply here, but it will not be the kind of food you are used to; you will have to learn how to cook like a korean.

Just a basic cost guide for you:

Apartment bills: 100,000-300,000 won depending on where you live, the size of your place and how much water/gas/electric you use.

Food for a family of three: 800,000 won ish. This could vary widely depending on how often you eat out, or what you make. 800,000 would be on the cheap side.

Cell phones + TV + internet = 60,000 at the very cheapest

Transportation = again, this can vary widely. If you can walk to school, the grocery store and you do not go anywhere, this could be zero. However, it could quickly be 200,000 or more if you have to take the bus everywhere.

Those are just the costs to be barely getting by. Not to mention clothes, home supplies and other things.

You might be able to save a few hundred bucks a month if you really scrimp and save, but do not expect to save 1,000 a month on a newbies salary.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wombatsincombat wrote:
Is it worth it to bring a stroller?


No. I wouldn't wast the space. I remember I bought one in Korea for about 30-40,000 won. It was a basic umbrella model, but well-constructed and easy to use. I brought it back with me to use in the U.S. because it was better than the umbrella strollers we had. In fact, I preferred using it to our pricey Maclaren or Combi strollers which were quite a bit heavier.
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carleverson



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulNate wrote:

You might be able to save a few hundred bucks a month if you really scrimp and save, but do not expect to save 1,000 a month on a newbies salary.


Yeah, I fail to understand why people think they can just enjoy life here and save money on a teacher's salary supporting a family of three.

You might save some money here, but you're quality of life will be abysmal during the process.
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wombatsincombat



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I should have stated that we are anti consumerists. We want to eat out to explore cultural normatives. Other than that? Yes. Dad goes to work, comes home to eat home cooked meals, and we watch tv to go to bed. We re lame. We are parents. Hear us roar? We don't want to maintain the same eating as in the US. We know we can't live exactly like koreans, but we want to try to acclimate to our surroundings. Our vanity expenses? Beer in the fridge. Maybe traveling to busan to visit friends every month. We like to take walks, we like to run. We want to liv e simply.

We just want to know how hard it was for folks with a baby. It'll be different, we know.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't bring my wife and small baby to rural Korea. The quality of life wouldn't be so good.

Can you be sure the apartment you're going to is of good enough quality for your baby? The building standards in Korea can be pretty low. Poor heating. No wall insulation. Bad plumbing. Rattling windows with bad screens allowing lots of mosquitos in during the Summer and lots of heat out during the Winter.

Your wife might go stir-crazy in the apartment all day doing baby-care without a break. Maybe no English channels on TV. There will probably be absolutely nowhere of interest for her to go to except the same few grocery stores. No malls. No leisure facilities. If you're very lucky there will be a local park/playground. But that will get old pretty quick.

If I was you, before I'd ship my wife and young child to some foreign country, I'd go there first myself to check out the town, the neighborhood, the apartment and the workplace is like. Evaluate what the quality of life would be for all three members of your family.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wombatsincombat wrote:
I guess I should have stated that we are anti consumerists. We want to eat out to explore cultural normatives. Other than that? Yes. Dad goes to work, comes home to eat home cooked meals, and we watch tv to go to bed. We re lame. We are parents. Hear us roar? We don't want to maintain the same eating as in the US. We know we can't live exactly like koreans, but we want to try to acclimate to our surroundings. Our vanity expenses? Beer in the fridge. Maybe traveling to busan to visit friends every month. We like to take walks, we like to run. We want to liv e simply.

We just want to know how hard it was for folks with a baby. It'll be different, we know.


My first year here my foreign co-worker had a stay-at-home wife and two children (one infant, one around 2 or 3 years old). They were able to live comfortably and save money. I don't know exactly how much, but it was a reasonable amount.
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