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David.Levy



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: EPIK Cutbacks? Reply with quote

My girlfriend and I are planning to apply for the EPIK program to go to Seoul for September 2012. My girlfriend sent a basic preliminary email to a government recruiting company, Korvia, who responded that due to budgetary issues the government would not be accepting EPIK applications for that time period.
After contacting other recruiters, they stated that they hadn't heard anything resembling that. Does anyone have any knowledge as to the veracity of what Korvia told her? I know GEPIK is slashed, but I was hoping the rest of the country would still be open.

Thank you,
David Levy
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EPIK hiring for Seoul and Gyeonggi will be minimal. Consider working in areas outside of the Seoul area and you probably will have more luck. The more rural area, the more likely you'll get a spot.
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bcjinseoul



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2-3 recruiters are only advertising 350 EPIK positions nationwide for the Spring 2012 intake...350 for the whole country, when normally it's 2-3 times that (or more?)
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ttompatz



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Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: EPIK Cutbacks? Reply with quote

David.Levy wrote:
My girlfriend and I are planning to apply for the EPIK program to go to Seoul for September 2012. My girlfriend sent a basic preliminary email to a government recruiting company, Korvia, who responded that due to budgetary issues the government would not be accepting EPIK applications for that time period.
After contacting other recruiters, they stated that they hadn't heard anything resembling that. Does anyone have any knowledge as to the veracity of what Korvia told her? I know GEPIK is slashed, but I was hoping the rest of the country would still be open.

Thank you,
David Levy


LOL...

you said Sept 2012 - as in 14 months away?

Most recruiters (and government programs) work on a 3-4 month advance cycle (with most hagwans working on a 60 day advance to hire).

Come back and ask again next May for Sept. 2012 - you are about 10 months too early and NOBODY knows what will happen with NIIED, Seoul Metropolitan Office of Eeducation and EPIK between now and next spring.

Additionally, the school year starts in March with some recruitment happening for the 2nd term start (August). Sept is off cycle. If you want a job to start in Sept, look at a hagwan or China (their school year coincides with the US school year).

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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bcjinseoul wrote:
2-3 recruiters are only advertising 350 EPIK positions nationwide for the Spring 2012 intake...350 for the whole country, when normally it's 2-3 times that (or more?)

That's what it was like pre-2008. Some 300 EPIK spots for the entire country and they still couldn't fill it. The economic events in 2008 changed all that. Now they get to refuse people.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2009 to 2010 - S.Korea accepted more US refugees than it did N.Korean refugees.

Prior to the US meltdown there were typically 10,000 EFL teachers in Korea.
AFTER the US meltdown there were just about 10,000 US EFL teachers in Korea (in spite of the crashed won).

The numbers are just returning to the pre-US crash levels. The Americans are going to have to look to China for the bail-out (as in EFL jobs for their young college grads needing to pay off those massive student loans).

USA = the new Mexico - with all their strong, young hard workers headed west across the NEW Rio Grande (Pacific Ocean) looking for any work they can get.

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Ribena



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is it likely that EPIK will still be recruiting for Spring 2012 then?
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bcjinseoul



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
2009 to 2010 - S.Korea accepted more US refugees than it did N.Korean refugees.

Prior to the US meltdown there were typically 10,000 EFL teachers in Korea.
AFTER the US meltdown there were just about 10,000 US EFL teachers in Korea (in spite of the crashed won).


The numbers are just returning to the pre-US crash levels. The Americans are going to have to look to China for the bail-out (as in EFL jobs for their young college grads needing to pay off those massive student loans).

USA = the new Mexico - with all their strong, young hard workers headed west across the NEW Rio Grande (Pacific Ocean) looking for any work they can get.

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Aren't there +30,000 E-2 visa holders in Korea right now, which is more than US military personnel and double or more than the number of around 2005/2006/2007?
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isitts



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: EPIK Cutbacks? Reply with quote

David.Levy wrote:
My girlfriend and I are planning to apply for the EPIK program to go to Seoul for September 2012. My girlfriend sent a basic preliminary email to a government recruiting company, Korvia, who responded that due to budgetary issues the government would not be accepting EPIK applications for that time period.
After contacting other recruiters, they stated that they hadn't heard anything resembling that. Does anyone have any knowledge as to the veracity of what Korvia told her? I know GEPIK is slashed, but I was hoping the rest of the country would still be open.

Thank you,
David Levy


As ttom said, you're applying too early. Also, the budgetary issue is that they don't know their budget this early for 2012. It doesn't mean cutbacks.


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itiswhatitis



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares about EPIK cutbacks anyway!!!????!!!!

I've been in Korea since 2007 and I've worked at 2 hagwons and 1 public school. From my experience, the BIGGEST LIE is that public school jobs are better PUBLIC SCHOOL JOBS ARE NOT BETTER, HAGWONS ARE MUCH BETTER. After completing my first year at a hagwon I took a public school job. I was so glad when the year contract was over at the public school. Since then I've worked at the same hagwon for 2 years. My job is not a dream job, but it is a million times better than my public school job. From my experience, the great majority of foreign teachers in hagwons are happy while the great majority in public schools are not.

If you do go for a public school job, make sure that it is NOT IN SEOUL. From my experience, the public schools are much more relaxed outside of Seoul. But a hagwon job is still by far your best bet. If you hear anything bad about a hagwon, it was probably from someone who worked at a hagwon in Korea 10-15 years ago when the ESL business in Korea was in its infancy.
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bcjinseoul



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above. The only reason to work at a public school is for the vacation time...with the vacation time cut down to four weeks for the vast majority of public schools, you're better off working 12-6 at an after school program or 2-8 at an afternoon hogwon and just getting a week off twice a year instead of 2 weeks off twice a year, which, again, is what most public schools have devolved into. It's funny how picky public schools can be now, with the exact way they want a letter of ref done, local korean CBCs, and the shunning experienced teachers and taking-in of noobs, and this expectation that every 22 year old is going to do a great job with lesson plans as well, when there's no real curriculum in place and horrible text books. Some people might argue that public schools offer "guaranteed" benefits, like return flight money, pension, completion bonus, etc, but anyone who ACTUALLY stays here more than a year and ACTUALLY does his homework is going to find a great deal. Not a lot of lifers work in public schools...mostly colleges, after school programs, and short shift afternoon hogwons.

And I'm done.
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cincynate



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the BIGGEST LIE is that public school jobs are better PUBLIC SCHOOL JOBS ARE NOT BETTER, HAGWONS ARE MUCH BETTER.


+1

Most people who slam hakwons and praise public schools have themselves never worked in a hakwon. They have just heard the horror stories and get a warm secure feeling that the Korean Government or office of education would never screw them over.
The fact is that if you work for a PS you have to deal with endless B.S. Hakwons blow ps out of the water. Just don't work for wunderland and you'll be fine!
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: EPIK Cutbacks? Reply with quote

David.Levy wrote:
due to budgetary issues the government would not be accepting EPIK applications for that time period.


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Quote:
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Through the service, the office aims to cut household spending on private English education and give opportunities to children from low-income families to study the language, they said.

The plan is in line with SMOE chief Kwak No-hyun�s pledge to ensure equal learning opportunities for all children, regardless of whether their parents are rich or poor.

�English proficiency has become more important in entering a good college and getting a good job. However, most children can�t learn at private institutes as tuition is too expensive,� a spokesman said.

�We hope the Web-based lessons, which will be given by selected teachers as well as popular lecturers from private academies, will be helpful in addressing the �English education divide� between rich and poor.�

The service will be provided based on two-way communication between lecturers and students. While giving lectures, teachers can get questions or suggestions from students.

The education office has set aside some 150 million won ($140,000) for this year�s service.
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Ralphie



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:
Who cares about EPIK cutbacks anyway!!!????!!!!

I've been in Korea since 2007 and I've worked at 2 hagwons and 1 public school. From my experience, the BIGGEST LIE is that public school jobs are better PUBLIC SCHOOL JOBS ARE NOT BETTER, HAGWONS ARE MUCH BETTER.


+1
EPIK is stupid. I've had better jobs and more respect working at private organizations. I was stuck doing useless deskwarming for days prior to summer vacation. Now, I have to go in and teach summer "camp" from 9-12:30, Mon.-Fri. I get to leave after that, so no deskwarming in the afternoons during vacation period. The catch is that I have to teach summer camp for three weeks during summer and four weeks during the winter vacation period. Evil or Very Mad Is this even legal??! I know I have to teach camps, but it seems like most NETs teach camps for only 1-2 weeks.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cincynate wrote:
Quote:

the BIGGEST LIE is that public school jobs are better PUBLIC SCHOOL JOBS ARE NOT BETTER, HAGWONS ARE MUCH BETTER.


+1

Most people who slam hakwons and praise public schools have themselves never worked in a hakwon. They have just heard the horror stories and get a warm secure feeling that the Korean Government or office of education would never screw them over.
The fact is that if you work for a PS you have to deal with endless B.S. Hakwons blow ps out of the water. Just don't work for wunderland and you'll be fine!


I've worked for five hakwons and 3 public schools during my time here. In my experience Public schools blow hakwons out of the water.
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