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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: Korea may stop "sell by" dates on food |
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I know that I have seen expired food in K-stores before. I would very much like for "sell by" dates to remain on food.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2940574
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During a ministerial price stabilization meeting last month, Bahk first mentioned the plan to extend the shelf-life of goods like milk, bread, and fish cakes by replacing expiry-date labels with �use by� labels. He said at the time that, �some groceries and cosmetics can no longer be used once the expiration date passes, and in the end, consumers are the ones affected by this as companies raise prices to make up for the loss.�
The expiration date for a carton of fresh milk, for example, is five to seven days, but Bahk�s plan would keep that same carton of milk in the supermarket for up to 30 days.
According to the Korea Advanced Food Research Institute, a total of 650 billion won ($600 million) worth of processed foods are being wasted because they are not sold before their expiration date. |
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�Expiration dates mean that the products are of best quality when consumed before the printed dates and it doesn�t necessarily mean that they cannot be consumed after the dates and should be thrown away,� said an official from the Finance Ministry, noting that this creates unnecessary waste and contributes to product price hikes.� The official said Bahk based his idea on �best before� dates that are printed on products in the U.S. |
It seems that Bahk is suggesting that Americans consume products after they not not "fresh" any longer. Is there any truth to this or is it merely propaganda to get Koreans to go along with the idea (soon to be followed with an anti-US beef protest ... hahahaha)? |
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nukeday
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Best before/sell by...as long as there is some sort of date on it, I'm OK. To my ears, the "expiration date" would equal "best before."
But as usual, this is a poorly worded, difficult to follow article. Basically, they're not getting rid of expiration dates, just changing to a different type.
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Korea may stop "sell by" dates on food |
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sojusucks wrote: |
This is my favorite excerpt:
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�Expiration dates mean that the products are of best quality when consumed before the printed dates and it doesn�t necessarily mean that they cannot be consumed after the dates and should be thrown away,� said an official from the Finance Ministry, noting that this creates unnecessary waste and contributes to product price hikes.� The official said Bahk based his idea on �best before� dates that are printed on products in the U.S. |
It seems that Bahk is suggesting that Americans consume products after they not not "fresh" any longer. Is there any truth to this or is it merely propaganda to get Koreans to go along with the idea (soon to be followed with an anti-US beef protest ... hahahaha)? |
I don't understand how you've come to that conclusion. Generally in the US foods are labeled with "consume-by" dates, the last date which the food is considered suitable for eating. In Korea they use a "sell-by" date which is a shorter length of time in order to give the consumer time to consume it after purchase. Stores in Korea are not allowed to sell anything after the sell-by date, and a lot of food is wasted. They're suggesting something similar to the American system, not eliminating dates all together.
I see no problem with this plan. |
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murmanjake

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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see why people can't just rely on their senses and not eat obviously bad food.
Look at it and smell it. If you eat a piece of undercooked stinky pork then I think the blame is on you... |
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CentralCali
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Some food-borne illnesses are not obvious. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Well it's also not just about meat. Dairy products could be an issue as well, and you can't tell if that cup of yogurt has expired until you open it up. Then what? Run back and get a refund?
I personally agree with others, as long as a date is present and everyone understands what is implied by it, what's the issue? Though in my experience, the US slaps on dates that still offer some leeway. The products don't expire on that exact date and you can often squeeze a few more days out of safer foods. But as long as there is a date, butts are covered.
Raw, butchered meat in clear packaging, yes you're dumb if you buy expired stuff. Chicken can be a bit deceptive, though, if you can't smell it when purchasing. |
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murmanjake

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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I can go with that. I don't want to be buying crap and have to return it. I wasn't thinking that way though.
The article says that people are worrying the move will "put consumer health in jeopardy." I guess I just got stuck in thinking what kind of idiot consumes bad food.
cantralcali, what kind of food-borne illnesses aren't obvious?
Things that can't be prevented by examining the food, or cooking it thoroughly? |
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akcrono
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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murmanjake wrote: |
I don't see why people can't just rely on their senses and not eat obviously bad food.
Look at it and smell it. If you eat a piece of undercooked stinky pork then I think the blame is on you... |
You must have superhuman senses, and should be off fighting crime instead of posting on Dave's.
It's not always obvious (such as grains), where you often don't know until after you've poured a bowl with milk.
Dates also give us normal people a reference point for their food. That chicken is good now, but my senses won't tell me if that chicken will spoil in 1 day or 7. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Last Thursday, the finance minister requested that the Ministry of Health and Welfare examine the possibility of significantly lengthening the time food is allowed to remain on store shelves. The expiration date for a carton of fresh milk, for example, is five to seven days, but Bahk�s plan would keep that same carton of milk in the supermarket for up to 30 days. The Health Ministry is currently discussing the issue with the Korea Food and Drug Administration. |
This was thought up by idiots that don't consume milk or dairy. This stuff aint ice cream- you can't toss it in the fridge and come back a month later with it still being good- milk goes bad. Cheese gets moldy, and that doesn't make it Bleu. Yours truly doesn't like this idea one bit
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The finance ministry goon that said this:
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Expiration dates mean that the products are of best quality when consumed before the printed dates and it doesn�t necessarily mean that they cannot be consumed after the dates and should be thrown away |
doesn't go around eating expired food. This type of selfish bean counting mentality drives me up the wall- as though selling expired food will help people save money? How about just produce/order less? What is wrong with these people?? |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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I once spat out a Coke six months past it's expiration date. Awful, awful day that was on Texas Street. |
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DaHu
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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In Chinese supermarkets (even upscale ones that I've witnessed), they change all the meat "sell by" dates every morning to trick people into thinking they're getting fresh meat.
So I don't see why dates matter when supermarkets are free to change them if their unscrupulous. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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ThingsComeAround wrote: |
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Last Thursday, the finance minister requested that the Ministry of Health and Welfare examine the possibility of significantly lengthening the time food is allowed to remain on store shelves. The expiration date for a carton of fresh milk, for example, is five to seven days, but Bahk�s plan would keep that same carton of milk in the supermarket for up to 30 days. The Health Ministry is currently discussing the issue with the Korea Food and Drug Administration. |
This was thought up by idiots that don't consume milk or dairy. This stuff aint ice cream- you can't toss it in the fridge and come back a month later with it still being good- milk goes bad. Cheese gets moldy, and that doesn't make it Bleu. Yours truly doesn't like this idea one bit
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The finance ministry goon that said this:
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Expiration dates mean that the products are of best quality when consumed before the printed dates and it doesn�t necessarily mean that they cannot be consumed after the dates and should be thrown away |
doesn't go around eating expired food. This type of selfish bean counting mentality drives me up the wall- as though selling expired food will help people save money? How about just produce/order less? What is wrong with these people?? |
True, hopefully the health dudes are like "wtf yo u is crazy" and can the 30 days idea. I don't mind safe extensions but 30 days is probably going to end up having people getting sick.
That's why I mentioned the bit about the US tendency to err on the side of caution. The US dates are more to advise you about when food is going to start tasting crappy (fresh meat aside) rather than when diseases start fomenting.
Producing less would be ideal but that doesn't really click with companies. |
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Swampfox10mm
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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And I got food poisoning from Taco Bell in Itaewon today. This has special meaning to me. Ugh my tummy hurts!
As often as my wife or I get food poisoning in this country, I cannot see this as a good idea. |
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UknowsI

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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Some items can safely be sold after their "Best before" date, but others shouldn't be eaten long after their "Consumed by" date. I think the most fair thing would be to clearly label the item as expired and sell it with a discount. For items like candy and dry food, it might lose a little flavour or be more chewy, but can still be eaten without a problem.
For items like milk, egg and fresh meat I am very happy that they have a strict expiry date, or even better when they have both harvest date and expiry date. As I assume other consumers also do, I add or subtract some days to the date depending on what I will use the product for. If I'm going to eat steak tartar I will probably be most interested in the date of slaughter and not a 30 day extended shelf-life date, but if I'm going to make a soup which is boiling for 20 minutes, I could use meat that has started to turn green. I can't understand why he used "milk" in his example, since it is something that can clearly go very bad. Many stores have varying quality of cooling for their chilled or frozen items, which should also be accounted for when they put the date. A milk carton which is sitting on a poorly chilled shelf for 30 days could scare people away from drinking milk for a long time. |
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sojusucks

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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I wouldn't want to consume anything after the "sell by" or "best before" date. It is too much of a risk with foodbourne illnesses. Whatever SK goes to, it won't make me buy it after the date listed. I doubt most others would either. So the premise for changing -- not wasting food -- is a moot point. |
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