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[julian_w]

If you are interested in attending the appeal hearing next week of First Class Private Andre Michael Fisher, please go to the Seoul High Court next Tuesday morning, Room 404, and be seated by 11am.

Please enter the building and room with no more than one other person, and speak only in quiet Korean when in the room.

Seoul High Court is near Seoul National University of Education, subway exit 11, and about 200 meters along and on your right.

http://www.rollingangels.org/AndreFisher.html

http://www.timesleader.com/news/Area_parents_ask_for_help_over_son_rsquo_s_imprisonment_07-14-2011.html?pageType=mobile&id=1&start=1

http://rokdrop.com/2011/07/29/usfk-provides-details-about-andre-fisher-case/comment-page-2/#comment-427353

http://citizensvoice.com/news/hazleton-soldier-jailed-in-south-korea-1.1172906?localLinksEnabled=falsehttp%3A%2F%2Fcitizensvoice.com%2Fnews%2Fhazleton-soldier-jailed-in-south-korea-1.1172906%3FlocalLinksEnabled%3Dfalse#axzz2j52VdxQb

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/vigil-gathers-to-free-andre-1.1182362#axzz1Tj1TeSwB

http://pahomepage.com/search-fulltext?nxd_id=191607&shr=addthis

[hsaeoa]

[julian_w]

Yeah, i know that sounds kinda weird, but, apparently, if you speak loudly in English, you can be held in contempt of court (or words to that effect).

[tardisrider]

He's a foreigner, so he clearly must be innocent then. Right?

[Gorf]

So there's an unidentifiable video, he didn't have the money on him at the scene, and others can testify to his innocence, as well as the cab driver dodging court three times. That doesn't sound like reasonable doubt to anyone else?

And really? $88 gets two years in prison?

[CentralCali]

First off, the man's rank is PVT. PVT is pay grade E-1, PV2 is pay grade E-2, and PFC is pay grade E-3. Fisher apparently decided to screw up before his first advancement. Yay, him.

Second, how many threads do we need on the same issue?

Third, what exactly do you intend to accomplish that cannot or was not accomplished by actually qualified legal personnel from the US Armed Forces observing this case?

Fourth, do you realize that the more bull slung by his supporters, the less people will believe he doesn't belong in prison?

Fifth, essentially none of what the Fisher's family is asserting passes the smell test. Most importantly, the account they relate about the alleged comment from Fisher's commanding officer is certainly not true.

Sixth, some posters on other sites (ROK Drop, for example) have questioned why this could not have been disposed of under the "blood money/apology money" system. Well, Korean law prevents police officers from accepting that if they're injured and, of course, the government isn't into getting such a payment when they have legislated authority to judges to mete out punishment to include incarceration and fines.

Seventh, also on other sites, some posters have made asinine comments about the caliber and qualifications of the SOFA observers.

Last: Gorf, did you not notice that there was another charge, that of damage to public property? The man was also convicted of destruction to a police vehicle. Additionally, the original charge included slugging the cabbie to take the money. Yeah, I can see how someone who commits the crime of theft of services, physically assaults someone to rob them, violently resists arrest, damages a police vehicle, and then refuses to show any remorse for it could easily spend more than two years for his crimes if he were to do all of that back in my home state of California.

[northway]

I like how his sister claims they were at a club but they weren't drinking.

[engrishprease]

julian_w you really are going out of your way to find support for this fella... Are you related to him?

I hope he gets punished accordingly.. I'm sick and tired of grown men blaming alcohol for their idiotic behavior.

Here's a simple solution, don't drink stupid!

[julian_w]

Hello, 'engrishprease.' Thanks for your question.

No, i am not related to Fisher.

I am sorry you are so sick and tired. I hope you feel happier soon.

It sounds like you and CentralCali have a similar kind of problem, somehow and for some reason making you and maybe others here quite bitterly negative. That's a bit sad and unfortunate. Cheer up!

Obviously, instead of accepting my happy open invitation to come to the appeal hearing, i would rather that you guys go and enjoy your freedom: do something that makes you happy, perhaps? Maybe get some fresh air and sunshine next week. Go to a lake-side with a friend and enjoy the view, look at the flowers and trees and enjoy the peaceful natural scenery for a while or something, okay? Life can be quite beautiful and the vitriol here is not really necessary, nor is it helpful.

Have a nice weekend, everybody!

~ : )

[CentralCali]

[shostahoosier]

[sirius black]

How was Julian's response a personal attack. Tinged with sarcasm maybe but that doesn't even come close to a personal attack. CentralCali and another seems to think he's just as guilty as Julian thinks he is either innocent or wrongly done by.

While I can certainly understand the doubts to innocence there is more than enough to cast doubt on his guilt as well by any reasonable wayguk (and I would even say Koreans as well).

Finally, all our computers are equipped with a scroll button. There are tons of things all of us scroll past. Many people ask the same questions that have already been answered. CentralCali you have taken the time to enter the thread and read some thing you said you are tired of hearing aobut as well as ask for answers further contradicting yourself about too many posts about this topic. Neither of us is the forum cop. Julian's post didn't rise to the level of spam. It took more energy to write the post and get hot and bothered about it than it would be just to ignore it and be happier as Julian suggests.

[Captain Corea]

I'm not sure if the guy is innocent or not... not enough info out there.

And I could care less if Julian had some personal stake in this. But I agree with Cali on one point... Why the need for so many threads on this?

I'd like to see all of this, plus updates, in one thread. No need to start new ones for ever stage.

[CentralCali]

This is a personal attack:

[julian_w]

@ Sirius Black: Thanks for your rational, level-headed observations and comments.

@ CentralCali: Wow, i really think you managed to miscontrue the intention of my message. I am a peace-lover. That is the whole point of all my threads and posts. I have many better things to do than trying to attack you or anyone else here. I am sounding a note of concern for you guys. You really sound kind of wound up there. I really hope you can relax, unwind a little, and have a peaceful and fulfilling weekend.

And, after the hearing, if you'd like to meet up over a brew of some sort to talk about all the points you've made above, please PM me so we can arrange to meet somewhere amenable to you.

Now, please, everyone have a lovely weekend, and let's take care of each other out there, okay?