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john152
Joined: 26 May 2011
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 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: Rick Perry will help the economy |
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Rick Perry has been the recipient of many attacks, and I believe the reason for this is to distract people from his record of creating jobs in Texas while the nation as a whole has the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression.
We also need to focus on cutting our massive debt. First under Bush and then Obama the nation's debt has increased dramatically. While at the same time Rick Perry has helped to balance the budget of Texas.
Go to his website and see his side of the story http://www.rickperry.org/issues/ |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Rick Perry will help the economy |
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| john152 wrote: |
Rick Perry has been the recipient of many attacks, and I believe the reason for this is to distract people from his record of creating jobs in Texas while the nation as a whole has the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression.
We also need to focus on cutting our massive debt. First under Bush and then Obama the nation's debt has increased dramatically. While at the same time Rick Perry has helped to balance the budget of Texas.
Go to his website and see his side of the story http://www.rickperry.org/issues/ |
One reason why the economy has done well in Texas is because there is still oil in Texas, and the price of oil has risen very high. The economy doing well in Texas has nothing to do with Rick Perry at all. It would have done the same with anyone there of any party. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Texas leads the US in creating minimum wage jobs. The median wage in Texas if far below the national average and is falling. While Maryland has the highest wages and the most government intervention. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/04/rick-perry-economic-miracle-texas?INTCMP=SRCH
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If Rick Perry is an economic miracle worker, why are so many Texans going hungry?
While it is true that the Texas unemployment rate of 8.4% is below the national average of 9.1%, it is also true that according to the bureau of labour statistics, of the 211,000 jobs created last year, 37% of these new jobs paid at or below minimum wage.
To place it in perspective, the minimum wage is $7.25 per hour, or $14,500 per year. This type of wage and job creation doesn't create a living, much less long-term prosperity. According to the Centre for Public Policy Priorities, an average family without employer sponsored health insurance living in the Austin area, must earn $53,080 at a minimum to make ends meet. |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/rick-perry-economic-mirage
Miracle or mirage � what's the truth about Rick Perry's Texas? |
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john152
Joined: 26 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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There has been a big negative response to Rick Perry on this board, but I have to disagree.
1. People are making it sound like most of the jobs are low wage, when in fact many of the jobs created are middle class jobs. For example in IT where my brother works.
2. Members are talking about how he has limited lawsuits, when in fact America has too many lawsuits. Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because US doctors spend so much time doing paper work to avoid lawsuits, and that raises the cost of healthcare. Lawsuits are out of control in the US.
3. When it comes to low wages I don't think Obama is better. Look at how he failed to pass any significant pro-labor bill like the union organizing bill. He put zero effort into getting that passed in congress even though Democrats had huge majorities in the house and the senate, and then you see most his contributions come from corporations and their Ceos (Labor wouldn't have gotten everything but they could have gotten something significant). In fact Democrats have received 15 times more money from Corporations as unions http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php
4. Texas does have some regulation "limits mortgage borrowing to 80% of the appraised value of a home. Like a minimum down payment, this reduces overleveraging and means Texas wasn't hurt as badly by the housing crash as other states." Rick Perry decided to keep that regulation and Texas was spared from the worst of the housing crises. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375480710070472.html |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer is right about the oil money. But Texas has a particular challenge in Mexican immigration.
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| While it is true that the Texas unemployment rate of 8.4% is below the national average of 9.1%, it is also true that according to the bureau of labour statistics, of the 211,000 jobs created last year, 37% of these new jobs paid at or below minimum wage. |
Yes, and their schools perform poorly, too. Why? Mexican immigrants. They constitute cheap labor and bring down test scores (they're not stupid, just not as proficient at English). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Adventurer is right about the oil money. But Texas has a particular challenge in Mexican immigration.
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| While it is true that the Texas unemployment rate of 8.4% is below the national average of 9.1%, it is also true that according to the bureau of labour statistics, of the 211,000 jobs created last year, 37% of these new jobs paid at or below minimum wage. |
Yes, and their schools perform poorly, too. Why? Mexican immigrants. They constitute cheap labor and bring down test scores (they're not stupid, just not as proficient at English). |
And it doesn't look like the schools are going to improve anytime soon. From January of this year:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/19/news/economy/texas_budget_deficit/index.htm |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| john152 wrote: |
There has been a big negative response to Rick Perry on this board, but I have to disagree.
1. People are making it sound like most of the jobs are low wage, when in fact many of the jobs created are middle class jobs. For example in IT where my brother works. |
Do you have any stats to back that up? Great for your brother, but perhaps his situation is rare?
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| 2. Members are talking about how he has limited lawsuits, when in fact America has too many lawsuits. Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because US doctors spend so much time doing paper work to avoid lawsuits, and that raises the cost of healthcare. Lawsuits are out of control in the US. |
There is some truth to this. I do think there are too many lawsuits in the USA, but the health care system can reform itself too. Health insurance companies have a lot of bureaucracy and expenditures that they truly don't need (nor had 20-30 years ago).
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| 3. When it comes to low wages I don't think Obama is better. Look at how he failed to pass any significant pro-labor bill like the union organizing bill. He put zero effort into getting that passed in congress even though Democrats had huge majorities in the house and the senate, and then you see most his contributions come from corporations and their Ceos (Labor wouldn't have gotten everything but they could have gotten something significant). In fact Democrats have received 15 times more money from Corporations as unions http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/blio.php |
Yeah, but Obama isn't selling himself as a job creator, Perry is. That's the difference.
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| 4. Texas does have some regulation "limits mortgage borrowing to 80% of the appraised value of a home. Like a minimum down payment, this reduces overleveraging and means Texas wasn't hurt as badly by the housing crash as other states." Rick Perry decided to keep that regulation and Texas was spared from the worst of the housing crises. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375480710070472.html |
Yep, ain't that funny? Regulation might not be so bad afterall! |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| john152 wrote: |
| T Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because ... |
Actually, although it appears that doctors in Korea see 4 times as many patients they really don't. It's just the illusion of patient churning - requiring unnecessary repeat visits, because of the National Health care payment system.
Since the payments per visit are limited, the doctors dole out medical prescriptions in small increments which require frequent follow-up visits for each patient for prescription renewals. The follow ups are quick and perfunctory - often foregone for foreign patients who refuse to be churned. As a result, it appears that they are seeing 4 times as many patients. In reality they are seeing fewer patients far more frequently - churning patient visits to generate profits.
They are gaming the National Health care system, wasting the time of patients, reducing quality and increasing waste - normal problems with any national government program. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| john152 wrote: |
| T Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because ... |
Actually, although it appears that doctors in Korea see 4 times as many patients they really don't. It's just the illusion of patient churning - requiring unnecessary repeat visits, because of the National Health care payment system.
Since the payments per visit are limited, the doctors dole out medical prescriptions in small increments which require frequent follow-up visits for each patient for prescription renewals. The follow ups are quick and perfunctory - often foregone for foreign patients who refuse to be churned. As a result, it appears that they are seeing 4 times as many patients. In reality they are seeing fewer patients far more frequently - churning patient visits to generate profits.
They are gaming the National Health care system, wasting the time of patients, reducing quality and increasing waste - normal problems with any national government program. |
Any stats to back that up? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| john152 wrote: |
| T Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because ... |
Actually, although it appears that doctors in Korea see 4 times as many patients they really don't. It's just the illusion of patient churning - requiring unnecessary repeat visits, because of the National Health care payment system.
Since the payments per visit are limited, the doctors dole out medical prescriptions in small increments which require frequent follow-up visits for each patient for prescription renewals. The follow ups are quick and perfunctory - often foregone for foreign patients who refuse to be churned. As a result, it appears that they are seeing 4 times as many patients. In reality they are seeing fewer patients far more frequently - churning patient visits to generate profits.
They are gaming the National Health care system, wasting the time of patients, reducing quality and increasing waste - normal problems with any national government program. |
Any stats to back that up? |
I'm still waiting for the stats on the end half of john152's sentence:
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Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because US doctors spend so much time doing paper work to avoid lawsuits, and that raises the cost of healthcare. Lawsuits are out of control in the US. |
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carleverson
Joined: 04 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard alot of the jobs in Texas were actually government jobs related to the many military bases in Texas. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| 2. Members are talking about how he has limited lawsuits, when in fact America has too many lawsuits. Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because US doctors spend so much time doing paper work to avoid lawsuits, and that raises the cost of healthcare. Lawsuits are out of control in the US. |
There is some truth to this. I do think there are too many lawsuits in the USA, but the health care system can reform itself too. Health insurance companies have a lot of bureaucracy and expenditures that they truly don't need (nor had 20-30 years ago).
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The insurance industry does not really care about lawsuits, cost of medications, etc. All of these expenses are considered when calculating annual insurance premiums. So long as there is no sudden rise in expenses and enough people are prepared to pay for their health insurance, don't expect the health insurance industry to reform itself. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
| john152 wrote: |
| T Doctors in Korea can see 4 times as many patients as the US partly because ... |
Actually, although it appears that doctors in Korea see 4 times as many patients they really don't. It's just the illusion of patient churning - requiring unnecessary repeat visits, because of the National Health care payment system.
Since the payments per visit are limited, the doctors dole out medical prescriptions in small increments which require frequent follow-up visits for each patient for prescription renewals. The follow ups are quick and perfunctory - often foregone for foreign patients who refuse to be churned. As a result, it appears that they are seeing 4 times as many patients. In reality they are seeing fewer patients far more frequently - churning patient visits to generate profits.
They are gaming the National Health care system, wasting the time of patients, reducing quality and increasing waste - normal problems with any national government program. |
Any stats to back that up? |
Teaching multiple classes for years under contract inside one of Korea's biggest hospitals - Doctors, nurses, accountants, admin department heads, Head of nursing, Head of teaching, VP of operations etc. Many have a year or more experience in the US, Canada etc as well as in Korea, so there is quite a bit to share.
A common topic in class - the differences between the single vists in the US vs. the multiple visits in Korea and why.
They have to have multiple visits or they can't bill enough to the National Health office. Of course, they admit they might not be necessary in the US, but in Korea seeing the doctor for 2 min. after waiting an hour just to get 2 or 3 more days of pills is justified as necessary quality, but required for the billing.
When some health insurance pays by type of treatment, with no adds for extra visits - extra visits are kept to a minimum, maybe too few.
When Korea's system pays a low rate for each visit, then many visits suddenly become necessary.
Covered dental procedures in Korea are the same way. It takes a surprising number of visits to perform the same dental procedures that require only one in the US. Why? Small payments for each visit, means more visits become required. Single payments for completing the entire procedure means as few visits as possible.
We have covered it all in detail. |
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