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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Do too many foreigners turn you off? Reply with quote

When I first came to Korea in 1993, it was truly a paradise. I absolutely loved it and was commonly picked up by girls on the streets. Now, with all of the foreigners, there is just something wrong with Korea. Do you think this is a good or a bad thing? I'm thinking about making my move to a country that hasn't been tainted so much by the presence of weiguks.

I can't really put my finger on it. No, I'm not the kind of guy that wants to be the ONLY foreigner around but I do think that the massive presence of foreigners in Korea has ruined its appeal as an attractive teaching destination.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Because personally, I've never had to rely on novelty value to get laid
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hapkido1996



Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, it's not the simple presence of so many other foreigners. It's the presence of so many foreigners who don't take teaching seriously, and who treat Korea as a playground and Koreans as an inferior, insignificant people. Who come here for a year-long Spring Break, too lazy and arrogant to learn the local language and customs, too greedy to say 'Hi' to a Korean for fear of giving out a "free English lesson."

Of course, not all foreigners who come here to teach are like that, and I don't mean to imply such. But the number of those who ARE like that makes me more than a little reluctant to hang out in places where foreigners frequent. Hope I haven't offended anyone by saying so, but that's been my experience, more or less, over the past 15 years of living here. If you're hired to be a teacher, act and dress like a teacher, not like a frat on Spring Break, please.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hapkido1996 wrote:
For me, it's not the simple presence of so many other foreigners. It's the presence of so many foreigners who don't take teaching seriously, and who treat Korea as a playground and Koreans as an inferior, insignificant people. Who come here for a year-long Spring Break, too lazy and arrogant to learn the local language and customs, too greedy to say 'Hi' to a Korean for fear of giving out a "free English lesson."

Of course, not all foreigners who come here to teach are like that, and I don't mean to imply such. But the number of those who ARE like that makes me more than a little reluctant to hang out in places where foreigners frequent. Hope I haven't offended anyone by saying so, but that's been my experience, more or less, over the past 15 years of living here. If you're hired to be a teacher, act and dress like a teacher, not like a frat on Spring Break, please.


I share much of what hapkido said.

Its not about other foreigners, its about the type of foreign teachers that you end up being around.
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Died By Bear



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
When I first came to Korea in 1993, it was truly a paradise. I absolutely loved it and was commonly picked up by girls on the streets. Now, with all of the foreigners, there is just something wrong with Korea. Do you think this is a good or a bad thing? I'm thinking about making my move to a country that hasn't been tainted so much by the presence of weiguks.

I can't really put my finger on it. No, I'm not the kind of guy that wants to be the ONLY foreigner around but I do think that the massive presence of foreigners in Korea has ruined its appeal as an attractive teaching destination.




'93 was a good year. But we were younger then, and I was single, so we have good memories of a life long past. Sigh. Yeah, it was like being a rock star in Korea back then. ALL the girls giggled, and if you were half decent looking (not bald with rotting teeth and ugly as sin), you had lots and lots of phone numbers every weekend. Good times. Very Happy


PS there were plenty of teachers that didn't give a damn back then either, we just didn't see/hear about them as often, depending on your social network. The internet was NOT where we did our 'research' - word of mouth was king.
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Jotun_Symph



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
When I first came to Korea in 1993, it was truly a paradise. I absolutely loved it and was commonly picked up by girls on the streets. Now, with all of the foreigners, there is just something wrong with Korea. Do you think this is a good or a bad thing? I'm thinking about making my move to a country that hasn't been tainted so much by the presence of weiguks.

I can't really put my finger on it. No, I'm not the kind of guy that wants to be the ONLY foreigner around but I do think that the massive presence of foreigners in Korea has ruined its appeal as an attractive teaching destination.


I don't like the "freakshow" aspect of certain foreigner places in Seoul. Itaewon is one of those places where you walk around and feel like you are in a filthy, dirty, evil place, probably because it's where everyone goes to get hammered and laid. Hongdae is a lot better, I think, because it has less Army presence and a more local, homegrown feel.
But yes, you are right, a lot of foreigners get trashed and behave in ways that they would never dream of back home; disrespecting the country/ culture constantly, heavy littering, and starting fights with each other. I stay away from these obnoxious "Jersey Shore"-type characters who never should have come here.
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Zulethe



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not talking about the quality of foreigners because proportionately, the quality today is waaaay better. I'm just talking about sheer numbers. The freaks we had back in the day wouldn't even be allowed in the country much less allowed to teach.

It just seems to me, regardless of the country, too many foreigners living there just seems to "ruin" the experience.

You need to have enough so that you're not a total freak show but the law of diminishing returns certainly applies to foreigners.

I went to Ko Sumui, Thailand back in 1991 when there were only bungalows and not that many foreigners. Today it is a metropolis dump.

It seems like I missed the boat. Well, not missed but got off of it at the wrong time. In hindsight, I should have stayed overseas back then but it seemed that nobody back then took teaching overseas as a career seriously; it was just a short stint between college and finding a real career.
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Kennyftw



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did shake my head earlier this week when I saw a teacher waiting at the bus stop that looked and dressed exactly like Dylan Klebold from the Columbine massacre.
Tall, blonde, skinny, ratty, pimply, skinny face, with a little doo-dad-looking wispy thinning hair style. He dressed the part, too. Black shirt, black pants with black army boots.
Dude looked like a 35 year-old freak show. I honestly felt bad for him (a little). You can tell he never got laid a day in his life before and was hoping Asia would be that place he can get a little somethin, somethin, and just maybe be the receptacle where he can pass along his mess-of-a self genes.

I won't mention the bus stop name, but it was in Incheon. You know who you were, lol

I promptly gtf outta there and continued home as to not be lumped in with this mess of a kid.

Am I shallow? Yes, I am. But so what, this guy was a weirdo, and I couldn't feel anything but embarrassment to be seen by him.


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Louis VI



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Work in a rural town.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? Reply with quote

Zulethe wrote:
When I first came to Korea in 1993, it was truly a paradise. I absolutely loved it and was commonly picked up by girls on the streets. Now, with all of the foreigners, there is just something wrong with Korea. Do you think this is a good or a bad thing? I'm thinking about making my move to a country that hasn't been tainted so much by the presence of weiguks.

I can't really put my finger on it. No, I'm not the kind of guy that wants to be the ONLY foreigner around but I do think that the massive presence of foreigners in Korea has ruined its appeal as an attractive teaching destination.


You went from talking about getting girls to it being about being a teaching destination.

I'm a bit confused - which one is important to you?
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chrisinkorea2011



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with a lot being said in this topic. The thing is (like stated) many foreigners come here just to have a year long spring break. Now keep in mind when i first got here i was like yeah have fun for a couple of months, but that whole seeing foreigners be over the top idiot drunks really turned it off for me. Ive seen many foreign guys here too try to play the foreign card and get as many girls as possible and try to appeal to them just because they are foreign. Its pretty sad that they have to use "look im a foreigner, date me!" attempt, because they couldnt get laid back in their home country.

as well as too many foreigners just not caring about what they teach kids or how it turns out for them. Ex. i have a picture of a foreign teacher having 1st or 2nd graders giving a camera the middle finger. this guy works somewhere in seoul. (he is a friend of a friend) and in my eyes a total piece of S**t and shouldnt be working here, let alone with kids anywhere.
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ajosshi



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="chrisinkorea2011"]I agree with a lot being said in this topic. The thing is (like stated) many foreigners come here just to have a year long spring break. Now keep in mind when i first got here i was like yeah have fun for a couple of months, but that whole seeing foreigners be over the top idiot drunks really turned it off for me. Ive seen many foreign guys here too try to play the foreign card and get as many girls as possible and try to appeal to them just because they are foreign. Its pretty sad that they have to use "look im a foreigner, date me!" attempt, because they couldnt get laid back in their home country.

as well as too many foreigners just not caring about what they teach kids or how it turns out for them. Ex. i have a picture of a foreign teacher having 1st or 2nd graders giving a camera the middle finger. this guy works somewhere in seoul. (he is a friend of a friend) and in my eyes a total piece of S**t and shouldnt be working here, let alone with kids anywhere.[/quote]

send me that photo and give me the name of the hagwon. i will pay him a visit.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the OP came here in 93 that would make his age at least early 40's now. Don't worry. You are not going to get young hot girls these days anyway.
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Zackback



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not true. I was here about the same time (1995) and I'm in my 40's.

I speak from personal experience Razz
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radcon



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zackback wrote:
Not true. I was here about the same time (1995) and I'm in my 40's.

I speak from personal experience Razz


Photos or it didn't happen.
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