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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:53 am    Post subject: Boss screwing me question Reply with quote

Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government

I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.

My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.

What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?

It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.

Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resign and file with labor against your employer. Find another job. Don't let this continue.

BTW, he's probably cheating you in some other way, too. Check everything.
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tradition. Yes, your boss may have a point...
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are [Mod Edit attributed all of the people of a nationality] such shady characters? To think that its ok to tell someone to their face that they steal from them because it is tradition? Something is wrong with these people. They have no conscience!

N.B. I checked with the pension office and he is making the proper contribution.. 9% of my salary (and taking 4.5% out of my paycheck).
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WadRUG'naDoo wrote:
Tradition. Yes, your boss may have a point...


Laughing

If boss is so reliant on what the contract says, he would at least pay all of your 6% to the tax office. I wonder if Koreans know what this does to their image throughout the world.

He uses this double barrel argument of signed contract plus tradition.

You go the same way, and ask how Korean tradition can mug people, be brazenly dishonest. Then as second pincer, introduce the labor board as threat.

I don't think the labor board can do anything, their brief elsewhere of tax. But he won't know that. Actually, neither do I.

I wouldn't leave for another job. In context it's small potatoes, you don't want a bunch of upheaval over this for now.

After 6 months when you're well entrenched, take it up a notch.


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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Hagwon bosses care what other people think of them.

They are more concerned about appearing strong as in

(being able to short-change employees).

A boss who caves in to all employee demands would be considered weak and or not a good businessman.
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't leave for another job. In context it's small potatoes, you don't want a bunch of upheaval over this for now.


Over the course of a year it is 1,050,000 won he's pocketing out of my paycheck. That is over 1/2 months work. I would never consider letting an employer screw me out of $1,000 back home. Why should I do it here? Should I bend to the Korean culture of underhanded corruption and turn my head like so many Koreans do? Should I drop the issue for the sake of saving face and go about my day like I'm his friend? That chicken has flown its coop. I can never respect anyone who steals from me, and I don't know if I can even work under the employ of someone who admitingly steals from me and continues to do it.

Shifty.. you sound unsure about approaching the labor board. Does anyone have any better knowledge of it, or ever been in a similar situation. At the very least he is breaking the contract as it says [.. will be paid to the Korean Government], which he admits to not doing. Any more advice?

I don't know how this society expects to compete on the world stage. Any gains attained from the trillions of won spent for the little improvements in English are quickly offset by the underhandedness, shady dealings and complete disregard for contractual obligations; not to mention a complete lack morality in business dealings. I wonder if one attribute of the high suicide rate in Korea is a result of one's conscience finally catching up to one's self.

I think we're going to see more shady hakwon directors show their faces in the midst of the crumbling western economies. They know they can replace teachers on a whim and don't care about loosing a good teacher to pocket a few bucks. [/quote]
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't done the arithmetic and didn't realise it was quite so much.

In day to day it will plague you until it becomes out of all proportion to real magnitude. This is a real problem, a possible souring of attitude in a job that needs a vocational touch, a killer for essential joi de vivre.

In the old days 5% was the limit of cheating, Koreans thinking the Waygukin was most amenable to the round number. But 5% has been slowly driven down to 3.3% where it hovers now.

6% is going back to the dark ages, an insult added to injury.

However, your loss is not so great. Be philosophical about it, both in terms of relatively small amount and widespread cheating in the overall Korean EFL sense.

Your loss will be greater if you make a fuss now and be forced to switch jobs. Make a stand sure, labor board and moral suasion, but don't go over the brink.

You'll recoup it, you'll see.
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DaHu



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time in Asia I ask why something is (insert whatever negative thing here), the answer is "tradition".
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Re: Boss screwing me question Reply with quote

cincynate wrote:
Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government

I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.

My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.

What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?

It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.

Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract.



Tell your boss that you like Korea, you lik him, you like your job, you like your students and that you can't keep working for him as long as he continues taking 87,500 won per month too much out of your pay. Ask him to stop and to refund to you the excess withholding so far.

Do this in person and hand him a letter with the same message.

Then, hope for the best and be prepared to quit or be fired. You will probably want to prepare the documents you need in advance and maybe begin your job search. But it shouldn't be to hard to find a new job making more than 2.1 mil per month since you're already in Korea with some experience.
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok.. so he came up to me yesterday, and told me that the most important thing to him is that I am happy and that we have a good working relationship. He said he will change my tax to 1.9% and pay me back for what he has already taken. Thanks for the advice ontheway.. It seamed to work!
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jeremysums



Joined: 08 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Boss screwing me question Reply with quote

That's kind of wrong. Find another job.

cincynate wrote:
Like an idoit I signed a contract with a 6% tax rate. It reads exactly like this:
A tax of about 6% will be paid to the Korean Government

I didn't realize what I had done until I got my first paycheck and 126,000 won was deducted for taxes on top of 4.5% for pension and 2.3% for health insurance.

My boss gave me a statement showing my deductions. I took it to the NTS office and they said I should be paying 38,500 won per month. They gave me documentation saying so, and a copy of the simplified tax tables to give my boss. I just assumed he had made a mistake. I gave him the documentation, and he told me that his accountant told him he needs to withold 6%, and he gives it all to the government. So back to NTS I went, and they told me he had paid 38,500 won. I confronted him with this information and he said "It's tradition and I already signed the contract for 6%.

What should I do.. It can't be legal to over withold taxes. He basically admitted that he was keeping the money. If that is what I contracted for, amd I screwed?

It really sucks because I otherwise love the job and got along with him really well until this came up.

Thanks for the help all.. and please I know I screwed up.. I don't need anyone telling me I shouldn't have signed the contract.
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Deranged Ranger



Joined: 13 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land

PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walk yet, or still getting cheated on a volunteer basis?
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different



Joined: 22 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it makes you feel better, be aware that half the small hagwons in Korea probably aren't paying teachers' taxes to the tax office AT ALL.

In a way, it is tradition.
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