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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: Korea Times opinion article Reply with quote

Now the whole NSET teacher issue just becoming absurd. I love how the woman who can't speak Korean at all has "difficulty teaching English." The "gangster" comment is classic.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/09/137_94898.html

By Shin Chul-ho

I have taught English with five foreign teachers at five elementary schools; two Americans, one Englishman, one Australian, and one Canadian.

They had a different personalities and behavior but I was able to find two distinctive features between them. That is, the native teachers whose parents have a great interest in them and who like sports have a sincere work attitude. Otherwise, they aroused criticism. I will talk about them one by one.

The native speaker from Australia was over 40 years old but not married. He tacked a photo of his parents, siblings, nieces and nephews on the bookshelf and introduced them with pride. When I told him that it would be much better for him to get married and have his own children than living alone, he said with a big smile, ``Doesn't matter. Cause I've got lots of nephews and kids." He was also frequently in contact with his family members. He, brimming with a sense of humor and always enjoying a morning jog, taught English fantastically.

A workout was an everyday event for a young man who came from England perhaps because his major was sports. He acted in a style befitting a British gentleman. He prepared teaching plans hard at school and taught the children really well. When several months passed after he arrived in Korea, his parents paid a visit in order to know how their son's life was in Korea. Last June he sent an email in which he asked me to write a recommendation for admission to a university to get a teacher certification. The email also contained ``His father is inquiring about what information should be included in the recommendation.�

A young woman from America is working at my school. Examining her college transcripts, I saw she had studied very well as a scholarship student. Only a fortnight has passed since her arrival. But she knows how to do her work with confidence. Not only obvious is the attitude that she does not want to burden others but also her body seems to emit health and a positive posture.

She has difficulty teaching English because she cannot speak Korean at all but I am sure that she will overcome it with her brightness. Before she set foot on Korea soil, I exchanged news by email with her about thirty times. I was astonished when she wanted to know whether there are any gyms for rock-climbing near my school. Later, I learnt that she enjoys camping, trekking, swimming,. Her sister came to Korea three months earlier as an English teacher. So their parents came to Korea a week ago and are now here to make sure they are staying safe.

I know two other native speakers of the opposite case. An American man was not able to control his emotions. He was promiscuous, indulged in alcohol, and was a chain smoker. His back was covered in tattoos and the stab wound in his left chest made him go to Seoul to see a doctor once a week. His attempt to seduce a caregiver at the school was uncovered.

According to his words, after marrying his mother, his father married four other women successively. When he was born, his father was already with his second wife. He was one of least likeable foreigners I've ever seen.

A Korean-Canadian native speaker said that she was sick. She said this for three months. One day she did not come to school. I called her but she did not answer. At first she went see a doctor in the neighborhood and later she went to a larger hospital. After two months she went to Seoul National University Hospital, saying that she could communicate in English there.

But after she went there a couple of times, she began to go to the clinic in the neighborhood again. She left school during work hours more than thirty times to see a doctor and took sick leave five times. Strangely enough, after notice from the principal that he would not renew the contract with her, she never went early from work and never took sick leave.

The examples of the native English teachers aforementioned taught me two things. First, we hear that in the West children become adults and leave home completely independent. In contrast, we reflect on our upbringing style that we overprotect our children even after they grow from childhood to adulthood.

Definitely, the fact that being overprotective of children deprives them of the ability to stand up deserves condemnation. But for proper growth of our children, leading them to the right path with love and concern even after adulthood holds good, regardless of whether in the East or West. Second, all citizens should workout hard.

As far as exercise is not for the fitness of gangsters, people who do any kind of exercise are healthy and mostly good citizens.

The writer is a teacher at an elementary school in Gyeonggi Province. He can be reached at [email protected].
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rainism



Joined: 13 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what an [Mod Edit]
Quote:
When I told him that it would be much better for him to get married and have his own children than living alone


he (should've) responded

if I want your advice on how to live my life, I'll ask for it .

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His attempt to seduce a caregiver at the school was uncovered.


seduce??? how?
uncovered? how?

suggests that the "caregiver" said nothing of the "seduction" attempt herself.

yes.. good that this was "uncovered".

oh the things this guy would write about ME should we ever work together.
It'd be delicious.
Rolling Eyes
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainism wrote:
what an assclown

Quote:
When I told him that it would be much better for him to get married and have his own children than living alone


he (should've) responded

if I want your advice on how to live my life, I'll ask for it .

Quote:
His attempt to seduce a caregiver at the school was uncovered.


seduce??? how?
uncovered? how?

suggests that the "caregiver" said nothing of the "seduction" attempt herself.

yes.. good that this was "uncovered".

oh the things this guy would write about ME should we ever work together.
It'd be delicious.
Rolling Eyes


I don't even understand the whole "exercise and family" title...I totally thought it had something to do with PE class or something. But then it turns into a diatribe about FT's...so strange!!
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rainism



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, not an overall rant.

He has nice things to say about several NET's.

but I have no idea what his POINT is.. or if he has one. Sounds like disjointed rambling.

his concept on having to know Korean in order to teach English also runs counter to all the current linguistic methods that are encouraged. (though I'd agree it would be very helpful)

but as to having to know Korean, that's what HE is there for.
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MollyBloom



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainism wrote:
no, not an overall rant.

He has nice things to say about several NET's.

but I have no idea what his POINT is.. or if he has one. Sounds like disjointed rambling.

his concept on having to know Korean in order to teach English also runs counter to all the current linguistic methods that are encouraged. (though I'd agree it would be very helpful)

but as to having to know Korean, that's what HE is there for.


Yeah, I don't think he has a point. I just love the gangster and exercise comment...Gangsters run away from the cops all the time, have to carry heavy loads of cargo from ship to truck, and are constantly practicing their boxing and martial arts. Jeez.
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sadguy



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what an awkward article.
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UknowsI



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to gossip about your co-workers, do you:
a) Call your parents to talk about it
b) Consult your friends
c) Keep it to yourself
d) Write it down and submit it to Korea Times
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whatisinmyhead



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
the stab wound in his left chest


i like how he just says this in passing.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKnows1,

Great point!

But, in his defence, and merely for discussion purposes, KTs are expected to be paragons of virtue and role models to their students. Not saying they are, just that they are expected. Teachers here will quit their jobs if they divorce because it will bring a shame on themsleves and their profession.

So, I am not surprised that guys like the writer find it interesting that the character of the FTs he has worked with make a difference. For him, realizing that coming from a good family and having an interest in health and exercise only confirm about the exotic West what he already believes.

And, his "oh so cute" observation that she has trouble teaching English because she doesn't speak Korean well may have been an awkward of saying she does not know how to maintain discipline in her class - not surprising for a novice teacher in a new country surrounded by a new language and culture.

But, UKnows1 is right. He is just a gossip. But, this is the kind of yellow journalism we have seen out of the Korean Times for years and I am sure they print it because it makes FTs mad and sells newspapers.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the final nails are being nailed in the GEPIK coffin, I'm glad that Shin Chul-ho has been brave enough to come forward to expose the real reasons this program has been such an epic failure. Rather than pointing the finger at unclear goals, lack of training, organization, or communication, we now see that the real reason was lack of attention to the exercise regimes and family backgrounds of NETs. Perhaps if the Ministry of Education had insisted on genealogy inspections and physical fitness tests of all NET candidates, this tragedy might have been averted.

If only we'd listened to him sooner.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy is obviously clueless. He thinks a foreigner can't teach English until they can speak Korean???

It's exactly that kind of belief prevalent in Korea that English should be taught through Korean which holds back the kids who only get public school English classes.
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tatertot



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am close with my family and exercise almost religiously, but I was not renewed at two consecutive positions. Apparently (and I don't disagree with this), I suck at teaching English.

Absurd premise is absurd.
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blm



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
The guy is obviously clueless. He thinks a foreigner can't teach English until they can speak Korean???

It's exactly that kind of belief prevalent in Korea that English should be taught through Korean which holds back the kids who only get public school English classes.


I don't think that's what he means.

It's basically him excusing her for the teething in period and that he thinks once she settles will be a good teacher.

Probably nothing to do with her Korean ability.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter: Way to buy into the bs, friend! I know a few Korean public school teachers who are divorced and haven't quit their jobs, nor are they about to. This includes both male and female teachers. I also know Korean teachers, again, both male and female, with tattoos.

eamo wrote:
The guy is obviously clueless. He thinks a foreigner can't teach English until they can speak Korean???


L1 knowledge is not actually required to teach any L2. There are different ways to go about teaching one's native language to someone whose language the teacher does not know. The immersion method, for example, does have its drawbacks, but it does also have its positive points. The problem with doing that in Korea, though, is that it leaves the Korean teacher out of the loop, albeit for one hour a week per class.

eamo wrote:
It's exactly that kind of belief prevalent in Korea that English should be taught through Korean which holds back the kids who only get public school English classes.


Too true!

No matter how much that jackass Shin evidently wishes it to be true, this is not 1925. He really needs to dig his head out of...the past.


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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I believe L1 has an important role to play in L2 acquisition, I also feel that is why the co-teaching system exists. If we spoke Korean, what would be the role of the KT in the class? We are here purely to teach English, and if Korean is to be used appropriately the KT should be responsible.
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