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kleenx
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: teaching in korea...please help! |
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Hello!
I'm sure this has been asked a few times on the forums but for whatever reason I can't seem to find much about my situation. I apologize if its been posted before and also for posting in the wrong section (I think?).
I was born in NY in 1985 and was raised here all my life (making me by default an American citizen). However, when I was born, my mom and dad (I think?) were still Korean citizens. They did get their citizenships not too long after I was born though.
Last October, I had all my paper work done, quit my job, and actually had a school to teach at lined up. All I needed was my work visa. I hit a wall. Apparently the Korean embassy wouldn't give it to me because I was supposedly a Korean citizen as well. Apparently my name was put into our family registry (hojuk) and that makes me a Korean citizen, but I found out I don't even have a Korean ID number (sort of like Korean social security number?). According to Korean law, I had to have given up my Korean citizenship before the age of 18, but neither my parents nor I was even aware that I was a Korean citizen until this happened.
So with this, if I go to Korea, I'd be "dragged off to the Korean army". I did some digging and found there have been cases of this in the past (someone going to teach in Korea and being dragged to the army because he was a Korean citizen without him even knowing).
So as you can conclude, I don't want to be dragged off. And from what I read, Korea doesn't even allow dual citizenships so when I finish serving I'd lose my Korean citizenship anyways.
I begrudgingly came back to my old job (pharmacist =/) and fed up. I really want to teach in Korea for various reasons besides my current job. Its be about a year, and I came back hoping for a few changes in the law...which there aren't any.
Is there a way around this? Or some kind of solution? What's the point of serving if I'm not even their citizen anyway? I am an American! Hah I mean, I've visited Korea a few times but never for more than a month or two for vacation.
Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for a long post and thanks for your time! ^^ |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: teaching in korea...please help! |
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kleenx wrote: |
So as you can conclude, I don't want to be dragged off. And from what I read, Korea doesn't even allow dual citizenships so when I finish serving I'd lose my Korean citizenship anyways. |
I believe you can still be a dual citizen if you have completed your military service. On anything else, I can't really help you there. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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a pharmacist is an awesome job (my ex was one) but she was stressed out a lot (or so she said!) haha
as for your questions the best answer and solution i believe is that you are fine and CANNOT be dragged off because you are an american citizen. Bring your birth certificate, SS card, and any documents along with you. Dual citizenship applies i believe if you willingly shoot for it and korea is pretty harsh about giving it out. As for being on the hojuk, have your parents call some relatives in korea (or if they are in korea) have them take care of it and get you OFF of it. if you were born on us soil then you are by default a US citizen. and non us born citizens (aliens, green cards, even naturalized citizens) CANT get a birth certificate, so id show them that lol |
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kleenx
Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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First off, thanks for the quick replies!
Will that work you think? Bringing all my documents? Like I mentioned I did quite a bit of digging and no matter what...I usually come up with this:
http://www.dynamic-korea.com/consulate_service/other.php
Number 2 is my situation.
As far as I can tell, I can't seem to erase anything till I'm 35. Lol I don't really want to wait till 35.
And I think the law changed so they may allow dual citizenships under certain conditions, but I do know they are rather strict with it.
Ahh it is ridiculous what they are asking of people like me. I didn't (want to) go to the army in America, why would I want to go to it in Korea??
But thanks again guys
Ps. Pharmacy is ok....but it really is quite stressful =/ |
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austrian123
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: teaching in korea...please help! |
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kleenx wrote: |
Hello!
I'm sure this has been asked a few times on the forums but for whatever reason I can't seem to find much about my situation. I apologize if its been posted before and also for posting in the wrong section (I think?).
I was born in NY in 1985 and was raised here all my life (making me by default an American citizen). However, when I was born, my mom and dad (I think?) were still Korean citizens. They did get their citizenships not too long after I was born though.
Last October, I had all my paper work done, quit my job, and actually had a school to teach at lined up. All I needed was my work visa. I hit a wall. Apparently the Korean embassy wouldn't give it to me because I was supposedly a Korean citizen as well. Apparently my name was put into our family registry (hojuk) and that makes me a Korean citizen, but I found out I don't even have a Korean ID number (sort of like Korean social security number?). According to Korean law, I had to have given up my Korean citizenship before the age of 18, but neither my parents nor I was even aware that I was a Korean citizen until this happened.
So with this, if I go to Korea, I'd be "dragged off to the Korean army". I did some digging and found there have been cases of this in the past (someone going to teach in Korea and being dragged to the army because he was a Korean citizen without him even knowing).
So as you can conclude, I don't want to be dragged off. And from what I read, Korea doesn't even allow dual citizenships so when I finish serving I'd lose my Korean citizenship anyways.
I begrudgingly came back to my old job (pharmacist =/) and fed up. I really want to teach in Korea for various reasons besides my current job. Its be about a year, and I came back hoping for a few changes in the law...which there aren't any.
Is there a way around this? Or some kind of solution? What's the point of serving if I'm not even their citizen anyway? I am an American! Hah I mean, I've visited Korea a few times but never for more than a month or two for vacation.
Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for a long post and thanks for your time! ^^ |
Listen to me very carefully. Don't be in a rush to come to Korea.....Korea is nothing special, and teaching esl is futureless joke of an occupation.
I wanted to come to Korea when I was your age, but I decided that I did not want to waste valuable years of my youth teaching esl. It was more important for me to ESTABLISH MY CAREER AND BUILD MY WEALTH FIRST, and then come to Korea in a position of strength and not depend on ESL as my primary career.
Also, you've got a good gig as a pharmacist, a job that 90% of young esl teachers in Korea would kill for. Take it from me, develop your career first, make a shit ton of money and then come here after you're 35. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
a pharmacist is an awesome job (my ex was one) but she was stressed out a lot (or so she said!) haha
as for your questions the best answer and solution i believe is that you are fine and CANNOT be dragged off because you are an american citizen. Bring your birth certificate, SS card, and any documents along with you. Dual citizenship applies i believe if you willingly shoot for it and korea is pretty harsh about giving it out. As for being on the hojuk, have your parents call some relatives in korea (or if they are in korea) have them take care of it and get you OFF of it. if you were born on us soil then you are by default a US citizen. and non us born citizens (aliens, green cards, even naturalized citizens) CANT get a birth certificate, so id show them that lol |
Bad advice. Listen to it and you may very well be carted off to boot camp (or prison in lieu of army service) till they sort it out (at the end of your 2 years).
Your American passport (and citizenship) are meaningless if you are considered to be a Korean citizen and are on Korean soil.
The WARNING on the US Embassy website about this very circumstance is there for a reason. Heed it or pay the price.
Wait till you are 35. Korea will still be here.
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kleenx
Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate your advice.
To be honest I'm not going to go to Korea permanently to make teaching ESL my career. But I definitely want to do it! And honestly, I'm not sure I will have the option when I'm 35. At that point in my life, I'd imagine having to settle down with a family and whatnot. I'm not sure I could afford to do it then. Korea might be there but I probably can't be. Hah
And funny thing about being a pharmacist in NY is that it isn't exactly $$$$$. Even if I do work the next 10 years, the taxes and so called "benefits" will bring it to zilch (I unfortunately barely meet the requirements for the higher tax bracket.) Cost of living and whatnot means I may live somewhat comfortably but I will never be able to horde money as you suggest.
I understand teaching in Korea isn't the most glorious position in the world but pharmacy isn't as glorious as you think either. After 8 years of it, I can tell you it will end up giving me a heart attack. Try to imagine what a pharmacist does...pill counters? Yep that's all we've become due to computers and even that jobs taken by machines now. And I'd call that a bigger waste of time than trying to teach others.
I greatly appreciate your advices and will take them into consideration. But as of right now I'm still looking for a way around? XP
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austrian123
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:53 am Post subject: |
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kleenx wrote: |
Thanks guys. I really appreciate your advice.
To be honest I'm not going to go to Korea permanently to make teaching ESL my career. But I definitely want to do it! And honestly, I'm not sure I will have the option when I'm 35. At that point in my life, I'd imagine having to settle down with a family and whatnot. I'm not sure I could afford to do it then. Korea might be there but I probably can't. Hah
And funny thing about being a pharmacist in NY is that it isn't exactly $$$$$. Even if I do work the next 10 years, the taxes and so called "benefits" will bring it to zilch (I unfortunately barely meet the requirements for the higher tax bracket.) Cost of living and whatnot means I may live somewhat comfortably but I will never be able to horde money as you suggest.
I understand teaching in Korea isn't the most glorious position in the world but pharmacy isn't as glorious as you think either. After 8 years of it, I can tell you it will end up giving me a heart attack. Try to imagine what a pharmacist does...pill counters? Yep that's all we've become due to computers and even that jobs taken by machines now. And I'd call that a bigger waste of time than trying to teach others.
I greatly appreciate your advices and will take them into consideration. But as of right now I'm still looking for a way around? XP |
If that's the way you feel, then so be it....but with your visa situation, it seems like you will have difficult time getting the F4 to come to Korea to work ESL. I'd just give up and move on with life..... |
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kleenx
Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Haha not exactly the response I want but I understand...thanks xP
Lol I just find it quite ridiculous that my friend who actually was born and raised in Korea till like 15 can now go to Korea without any issues while I can't....
If anyone has any experience with this situation or knows of anyone please help.
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:35 am Post subject: |
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kleenx wrote: |
Haha not exactly the response I want but I understand...thanks xP
Lol I just find it quite ridiculous that my friend who actually was born and raised in Korea till like 15 can now go to Korea without any issues while I can't....
If anyone has any experience with this situation or knows of anyone please help.
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If you really want to go to Korea and don't want to spend time in the Army then get a couple of full sleeve tattoos. You will be drafted and tossed out.
Then you are free to do what you want as a Korean without visa issues and you can get a job as a foreigner based on your US passport.
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kleenx
Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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Hahaha now that's an idea!
But I'm too chicken to get a real tatoo.....will fake ones that look real work? Hah |
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: here
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: |
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ttompatz wrote: |
kleenx wrote: |
Haha not exactly the response I want but I understand...thanks xP
Lol I just find it quite ridiculous that my friend who actually was born and raised in Korea till like 15 can now go to Korea without any issues while I can't....
If anyone has any experience with this situation or knows of anyone please help.
Thanks! |
If you really want to go to Korea and don't want to spend time in the Army then get a couple of full sleeve tattoos. You will be drafted and tossed out.
Then you are free to do what you want as a Korean without visa issues and you can get a job as a foreigner based on your US passport.
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Bad advice. If the powers that be can prove that you got tattoos for the sole purpose of avoiding military service, you may end up still doing time in the military or in jail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/24/world/main560228.shtml |
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hapkido1996
Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Surely there's a way to formally and legally renounce your Korean "citizenship"? I thought dual citizens had to declare one or the other by the time they were 18 or 20 or something. I doubt you can be forced to be considered a Korean citizen against your will. Find a good international lawyer and have him/her look into it for you. It's probably just a matter of filing the right papers. Best of luck to you! |
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kleenx
Joined: 13 Aug 2011
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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hapkido1996 wrote: |
Surely there's a way to formally and legally renounce your Korean "citizenship"? I thought dual citizens had to declare one or the other by the time they were 18 or 20 or something. I doubt you can be forced to be considered a Korean citizen against your will. Find a good international lawyer and have him/her look into it for you. It's probably just a matter of filing the right papers. Best of luck to you! |
That's what I figured but was hoping someone had an idea as to what to do before forking over the money haha....
Thanks though! |
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Landros

Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: don't wimp out. |
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just come and do your military service. it is your duty.
Go Katusa or even get an office job or work in the navy or airforce. Come do your service and serve your mother land. why try to fight it just to teach English? |
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