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Dodgy World Cup Ref, Heroin and Italian jokes.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Dodgy World Cup Ref, Heroin and Italian jokes. Reply with quote

Well, not quite but still intriguing for anyone (like me) who suspected that the odd refereeing decisions that helped Korea to a semi-final place in the 2002 World Cup, may not have been completely legit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/23/ecuadorean-referee-jailed-heroin


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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man.

I believe it.

http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/when-a-part-time-writing-job-in-korea-became-international-fraud/
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Sergio Stefanuto



Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, do we really need evidence? The evidence is all there in the refereeing decisions that were made.

FIFA, like any political authority, is utterly corrupt.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was at that game. The only thing that was wrong with the game were the Italians. They did their standard score 1 goal and then go into defensive mode. If they were truly a better team the score should have been 4-1, like how Argentina destroyed the ROK in the last world cup.
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Lazio



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I was at that game. The only thing that was wrong with the game were the Italians. They did their standard score 1 goal and then go into defensive mode. If they were truly a better team the score should have been 4-1, like how Argentina destroyed the ROK in the last world cup.


Watching any sport on TV is always better than at the game when it comes to the referee's performance. Dozens of high-tech cameras with brutal zoom and multiple replays....
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litebear



Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lazio wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
I was at that game. The only thing that was wrong with the game were the Italians. They did their standard score 1 goal and then go into defensive mode. If they were truly a better team the score should have been 4-1, like how Argentina destroyed the ROK in the last world cup.


Watching any sport on TV is always better than at the game when it comes to the referee's performance. Dozens of high-tech cameras with brutal zoom and multiple replays....


His general point stands though. Italy should be good enough to beat SK despite a dodgy ref.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Oh man.

I believe it.

http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/when-a-part-time-writing-job-in-korea-became-international-fraud/


Wow...that was anti-climactic. Crying or Very sad
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

litebear wrote:
Lazio wrote:
jvalmer wrote:
I was at that game. The only thing that was wrong with the game were the Italians. They did their standard score 1 goal and then go into defensive mode. If they were truly a better team the score should have been 4-1, like how Argentina destroyed the ROK in the last world cup.


Watching any sport on TV is always better than at the game when it comes to the referee's performance. Dozens of high-tech cameras with brutal zoom and multiple replays....


His general point stands though. Italy should be good enough to beat SK despite a dodgy ref.


They probably would have done if they hadn't been denied a perfectly good goal and had a player sent off for almost nothing. Unlike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4lG2RYalS8
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johnnyrook



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh, the Totti incident wasn't a penalty, and while Totti didn't take a dive either, he did leap up appealing for a penalty straight away, and frankly if you go down in the box and embellish it you're putting yourself at risk of getting carded for simulation, there doesn't need to be a conspiracy in place for something like that to happen, so I have no sympathy for him there.

The offside in that game was also a very very tight call, and an easy mistake for linesmen to make without being corrupt. There's probably one bad offside call like that in every single game of football. But the importance of the occasion ensured it came under a finer magnifying glass than most of these incidents would.

Spain got robbed against Korea, no doubt, although Moreno wasn't involved there. Italy were just unlucky. Of course many of the conspiracy theorists put forward the Portugal game as further evidence of the supposed fix, although in that match the red cards given to the Portuguese were 100% correct.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reason I am suspicious is because of what happened the last time before that that South Korea hosted a major sporting event. In case, you don't know just look for the Roy Jones Jr 1988 Olympic scandal, where bribery was uncovered.
Anyway, it's all in the past now but I thought it was an interesting article that had a tenuous (at best) link to Korea.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
I was at that game. The only thing that was wrong with the game were the Italians. They did their standard score 1 goal and then go into defensive mode. If they were truly a better team the score should have been 4-1, like how Argentina destroyed the ROK in the last world cup.


I was there too and agree totally. If Italy had kept going forward instead of going into a shell at 1-0 they could have named the score. Got to give Korea for not stopping in that one. Remember after Korea tied the game Italy had an open net but blew it

yeah there were some so-so calls like in any game but Moreno did nothing wrong in that game. In fact he did the US-Portugal game and we was fine there.

the fact that he did some questionable things afterwards doesnt mean the fix was in back in 2002
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question you need to ask yourself is would you be surprised if it was revealed that the refs were bribed? After spending time in Korea and learning how things work here, I'd have to say no.
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johnnyrook



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm, while there's probably more corruption in Korea than most of our home countries, that's just too big a scale I think. Korea, being the proud country that they are, would never recover from a loss of face like that, and whoever was behind the scam would seriously have to fear for his life bringing that kind of shame on all Koreans, it's not like embezzling money for personal gain, you're criminalizing the whole nation.
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johnnyrook



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hogwonguy1979 wrote:
the fact that he did some questionable things afterwards doesnt mean the fix was in back in 2002


I think this is a good point. There doesn't seem to be any dirt on him pre-world cup, and given the backlash he received following that match, getting globally condemned as he did and his reputation being almost destroyed, you wouldn't blame the guy for what followed. Not saying he was totally clean, but if he was the stuff he went through after that match easily could have lead to a fall. Becoming self-destructive and making stupid decisions is hardly uncommon behaviour for people who have had their reputation destroyed, rightly or not.
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litebear



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
The question you need to ask yourself is would you be surprised if it was revealed that the refs were bribed? After spending time in Korea and learning how things work here, I'd have to say no.


Very suprised.

Why didn't they bribe the ref in the semi? Did they bribe the linesman, too? Did they just get lucky that a dodgy ref willing to accept a bribe was assigned to their match (you do know that refs are retained throughout the tournament based on their performance)? Maybe they bribed the guy who assigns referees to matches so they could get a dodgy one? If they bribed every ref why didn't at least one protest and inform the authorities?

What about every other bad refereeeing decision in the history of football, were they all bribed, too?

It's a daft consipirancy theory, these things always are.
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