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cwflaneur
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jrwhite82
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| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
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comm
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
When KJI finally says "Let them eat cake", the parents will realize what must be done. And I'm sure if North Korea offered to pull their military back from the 38th in exchange for aid, they'd be swimming in it in no time. |
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radcon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
When KJI finally says "Let them eat cake", the parents will realize what must be done. And I'm sure if North Korea offered to pull their military back from the 38th in exchange for aid, they'd be swimming in it in no time. |
North Korea is well past the "Let them eat cake stage". The people are just too brainwashed or powerless to do anything about it.
In your aid scenario, the Norks would pull back, get the cash, and then the next day send the troops back to the front and lob some shells for good measure. |
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sirius black
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I'm certainly no expert on the north but just from a cursory view of things it seems the leader there takes care of the military so the people can't revolt because they are powerless. Maybe it is so but I can't believe the masses believe that America and SK are the reasons for their plight. Too many try and escape to China or defect for me to believe that.
The video was heartbreaking though. Whatever the reasons its a very sad state of affairs. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
I'm certainly no expert on the north but just from a cursory view of things it seems the leader there takes care of the military so the people can't revolt because they are powerless. Maybe it is so but I can't believe the masses believe that America and SK are the reasons for their plight. Too many try and escape to China or defect for me to believe that.
The video was heartbreaking though. Whatever the reasons its a very sad state of affairs. |
It's actually shocking how few do try to defect though. Having read Nothing to Envy and Under the Care of the Fatherly Leader, my impression is that a good chunk of the population really is that brainwashed. |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The thing is most people simply are not aware of there being anything better outside of North Korea. |
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World Traveler
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
You're right. We shouldn't have given the South the opportunity to achieve what they have over the past sixty years. They would have been much better off under Chinese / Russian influence. Or were you advocating all out war with Russia over the peninsula?
After seeing the video it makes me really want to give the ruling elite a thousand dollars so I can maybe see the suffering for myself as a tourist. If not the starving children I'd at least be able to see some really cool architecture. I hear the have very impressive subway stations.
I know my paltry grand wouldn't make a big difference in the grand scheme of things. I doubt it equates into even a full day of additional suffering. Probably only a few hours. And how many children can die in a few hours? 5, 10, 100 tops. Where is that "Let's tour N. Korea" thread?
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
That's true, but if a person had a choice between a South Korea type life or a North Korean type life, which one would he or she choose? Most probably the South Korean one. Remember, North Korea has all these prison camps that are so brutal. The government seems rather heartless to me. The people suffer because of the regime. I also feel China is partially guilty for supporting such a regime. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
You're right. We shouldn't have given the South the opportunity to achieve what they have over the past sixty years. They would have been much better off under Chinese / Russian influence. Or were you advocating all out war with Russia over the peninsula?
After seeing the video it makes me really want to give the ruling elite a thousand dollars so I can maybe see the suffering for myself as a tourist. If not the starving children I'd at least be able to see some really cool architecture. I hear the have very impressive subway stations.
I know my paltry grand wouldn't make a big difference in the grand scheme of things. I doubt it equates into even a full day of additional suffering. Probably only a few hours. And how many children can die in a few hours? 5, 10, 100 tops. Where is that "Let's tour N. Korea" thread?
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Yeah, and you get a wicked cool stamp in your passport to show all your friends back home what an intrepidly awesome Marco Polo you are!!
I hate to say it, but starving that regime out (and by corollary unfortunately also its people) may be the only realistic option available for inducing any real change in that basketcase. |
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catman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
It was a civil war. The question is whether or not the US/UN was right to defend South Korea. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jrwhite82 wrote: |
| Sad. Political ideology of both sides takes precedent over children's lives. |
Not giving money to someone who is attacking you isn't ideology so much as it is anti-bully. |
But dividing Korea into two countries was certainly done due to political ideology. And then setting up a puppet military regimes in the south and north was also done due to political ideology. |
What's done is done. The ROK cut off it's food aid after the north sank one of their ships and bombed one of their islands. Not giving aid to someone who is attacking you is not an ideological move. |
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