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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: Why are FTs afraid of the moral way of doing things? |
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In the many threads I have participated I have seen a backlash to the moral (right) way of doing things. The FT will use whatever trick or excuse they can to avoid doing things right.
Why is that? Here is your chance to place your reasoning to support your words. it does concern me because this being a small area of life, what one FT does tends to have an affect on others, even though those others did nothing wrong.
(This topic has noting to do with being 'slaves' or 'slavery' but the demise of the moral compass).
Do you not think that the students deserve to be taught by those with a moral compass? Almost everything I read from or hear when I am engaged in conversation with Fts, and I have said this before, is 'me', 'me. 'me'. Well teaching isn't about you.
So are you brave enough to discuss this issue like adults? (it has nothing to do with being an apologist but everything to do with being a teacher) |
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HELICIS
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Location: USA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The more moral or nicer you try to be in Korea, the faster the knife goes in the back! |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Morality is a very complicated issue which could also touch on the
'r' theme we don't discuss here.
There is an argument that everyone has morals but they are different.
So where in your morality can you lump all FT's together? We are from many backgrounds and cultures with different stands on issues that may be called moral.
A better title for this would be why do a few (maybe some) people do things I consider immoral. But maybe you enjoy the flames. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Any examples OP? Are you talking about FTs not wanting to use corporal punishment to control their students? Are you talking about FTs thinking that contracts mean what they say? What "moral way of doing things" are these FTs against? |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| If you don't get paid for a couple of weeks, you stop working, nothing unmoral about that. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Question for the OP: How is it moral to falsely accuse another person of engaging in a homosexual act in a public place? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| Any examples OP? Are you talking about FTs not wanting to use corporal punishment to control their students? Are you talking about FTs thinking that contracts mean what they say? What "moral way of doing things" are these FTs against? |
+1.
Without examples, this thread is a waste of bandwidth. I might as well just say, 'I am not afraid of the moral way of doing things.' |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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Say what you will about people's opinions you may disagree with on Dave's, they always try to give some moral justification for their actions.
There are very few absolute moneygrubbers/shameless horndogs on here.
And you know what, even that crowd gets points for being honest and not boring. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes being immoral/amoral is so much more fun  |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Puet mo.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Way to ignore Forum Guidelines, Mr. Moral. Obvious flamebait is obvious. In before ban and thread deletion. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Why are FTs afraid of the moral way of doing things? |
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| calendar wrote: |
In the many threads I have participated I have seen a backlash to the moral (right) way of doing things. The FT will use whatever trick or excuse they can to avoid doing things right.
Why is that? Here is your chance to place your reasoning to support your words. it does concern me because this being a small area of life, what one FT does tends to have an affect on others, even though those others did nothing wrong.
(This topic has noting to do with being 'slaves' or 'slavery' but the demise of the moral compass).
Do you not think that the students deserve to be taught by those with a moral compass? Almost everything I read from or hear when I am engaged in conversation with Fts, and I have said this before, is 'me', 'me. 'me'. Well teaching isn't about you.
So are you brave enough to discuss this issue like adults? (it has nothing to do with being an apologist but everything to do with being a teacher) |
Not sure if you're a Korean Teacher posing here or not. But all FT are different. In Hogwans, I think the boss or owner is 'me, me me' and in the public school it can be great or you can have the coteacher from hell. Also, some FT are young and immature. But that's your fault for insisting on hiring young good looking 22 year olds and not people who have worked and held a job before. In other words, people who have some maturity. (Sorry, it doesn't mean all of you young uns', just some. Some of you are a-ok.) The western mind set is a legal based one. That's why we sign contracts. If you want to go against the contract or ask for something extra, we are mostly open minded to it as long as there is compromise and good faith on both sides. But if we want the holiday we are entitled to, we are lazy. If we want to go home at 4:30, even if we do some extra work planning on our own time at home sometimes, we are lazy. But what is not lazy apparently is staying at the office until 10 pm at night, even when there is no work to do, and appearing to be busy, while actually only online shopping.
If someone gains some weight, they are lazy. Though I know plently of even bigger people back home who work and have jobs. They're big, but the don't sit home, collect welfare, and drink beer all day. If my school wants me to come in for some special event on a saturday, great, let me take an alternate day off if you don't want to give overtime. Did this last term. Took an exam day off instead of 'deskwarming'. Is compromise in your vocabulary or do you want to boss the FT around and treat him like an idiot? It is called co-teaching for a reason.
Wanting to have some liesure time to go exercise, so we don't get fat is not too much to ask for is it? For the record, I'm actually well treated by my own school and have no complaints. But have seen things in the past and have heard these type of complaints before from others. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Define 'moral'. Is it letting ourselves be exploited? Is it having a one sided conversation where you do all the barking and we get no input? Please, define this vague term!! |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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This troll is beyond ridiculous. He's gone from promoting hitting students in the head to defending the rights of bosses who steal from their employees, to finding imperialist conspiracies behind celebrating Halloween, insulting everyone who disagrees with his absurd premises, to now starting a thread with no purpose other than to insult foreign teachers living in Korea.
Are the mods taking any action on this at all?
In the meantime, folks, don't feed the troll. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Why are FTs afraid of the moral way of doing things? |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Not sure if you're a Korean Teacher posing here or not. |
calendar's already outed himself as David Thiessen, the guy who pens many of the nasty diatribes Korea Times publishes in its Thoughts of the Times section. But given his bad typing, bad grammar, poor command of the English language, and bad attitude about FTs, it wasn't exactly a secret who calendar is. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Why are FTs afraid of the moral way of doing things? |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Not sure if you're a Korean Teacher posing here or not. |
calendar's already outed himself as David Thiessen, the guy who pens many of the nasty diatribes Korea Times publishes in its Thoughts of the Times section. But given his bad typing, bad grammar, poor command of the English language, and bad attitude about FTs, it wasn't exactly a secret who calendar is. |
Dont forget his hatred for apparently everything NON korean (and worshiping it as the ultimate race apparently lol) especially americans for some odd reason, even though he himself is NOT korean. |
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