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tausha12



Joined: 12 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:14 am    Post subject: What is pension? Reply with quote

What exactly is a pension? How does it work?

I had the opportunity at my last job to enroll in the pension but I declined, I think. It's been over two years so I honestly can't remember.

Why does it matter if your school elects not to do a pension?
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay 4.5% of you salary into it - and - the employer pays 4.5%.

I don't remember which countries have the deal with Korea to get the refund, but the US does.

I applied last week. I get a little over 8 million Won for about 2 1/2 years work. If you don't sign up for it, your employer is costing you a significant amount of money (and saving it for himself).
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus if you do not sign. The employer can save on paying for public health insurance. Hope you do not get hit by a taxi.

Also your boss could be setting you up for a big bill in the future. If the pension office finds out your have been working and not contributing it may ask for the year or more of missed payments.
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tausha12



Joined: 12 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, so let's say I didn't sign up for the pension plan at my last school 7/2009-10/2010, and I did sign up in April 2012 at my new school, would I be expected to pay the pension from July 2009 to October 2010? Or could I start fresh?

I have worked at two Korean hagwons and didn't have pension at either of them! Now that I understand what it is I'd want to sign up for it at the new school but I don't want to have to back pay, you know?
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yikes... perhaps you should have read up about this before you declined it for two years straight? pension is something you definitely want unless you are planning on pulling runners every other month.
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tausha12



Joined: 12 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me clarify the first school I worked at didn't offer pension or medical insurance.

The second school offered the pension but I didn't take advantage of it because I had no idea what it was. I don't see the problem! I mean it's our money, it's not like an extra tax or something we have to pay. From what I can understand we are declining losing more of our pay each month and our employer doesn't have to match it, which saves them money.

so my question is Since I worked in Korea for two years without pension, can I take advantage of it at my new job without having to back pay?

Thanks for your time!
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://english.nps.or.kr/jsppage/english/main.jsp

Check out this site and possibly call them if you can't find your answer.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done contract without pension. But those where generally come and go. I had left the country in between. But if you transfer or extend I could see pension asking for money back.

Still in the end, the best place to ask is the pension office.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so my question is Since I worked in Korea for two years without pension, can I take advantage of it at my new job without having to back pay?


Pension offices would need to see a contract. From my understanding, the school is supposed to contact them and get things started, you go in at the end to collect. So, since there is no incentive for them to go now, if you don't go, then that pension office is none the wiser.

Also, if the school agrees to pay a higher salary, then this could easily compensate for any loss in non-payment of pension funds.
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da_moler



Joined: 11 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iggyb wrote:
You pay 4.5% of you salary into it - and - the employer pays 4.5%.

I don't remember which countries have the deal with Korea to get the refund, but the US does.

I applied last week. I get a little over 8 million Won for about 2 1/2 years work. If you don't sign up for it, your employer is costing you a significant amount of money (and saving it for himself).


I do pay the pension but, being from the UK, I cannot get the refund. However, I assume that I can claim the pension like anyone else in Korea when I retire. Can anyone confirm that this is the case?
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nate1983



Joined: 30 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tausha12 wrote:
I don't see the problem!


Um, besides the fact that not contributing is illegal?

Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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r122925



Joined: 02 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

da_moler wrote:

I do pay the pension but, being from the UK, I cannot get the refund. However, I assume that I can claim the pension like anyone else in Korea when I retire. Can anyone confirm that this is the case?


As a UK citizen, if you contribute to the pension for at least 20 years you'll be entitled a full pension when you retire. If you contribute 10 years you'll be entitiled to a "half pension". If you contribute less than 10 years you'll get nothing.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tausha12 wrote:
Let me clarify the first school I worked at didn't offer pension or medical insurance.

The second school offered the pension but I didn't take advantage of it because I had no idea what it was. I don't see the problem! I mean it's our money, it's not like an extra tax or something we have to pay. From what I can understand we are declining losing more of our pay each month and our employer doesn't have to match it, which saves them money.

so my question is Since I worked in Korea for two years without pension, can I take advantage of it at my new job without having to back pay?

Thanks for your time!


Here's the problem. As an employee you pay (approx.) 4.5% of your salary each month and your employer pays a matching amount.
At the end of the year (if you are Canadian, American or Australian) you get it ALL back...your contribution AND the employer's contribution as well.

As for your question...it is quite possible...they are unlikely to do the extra work to investigate, why would they?
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iggyb



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the guy was saying that he's fine with losing his previous employer's 4.5% as long as the gov doesn't come looking for 2 year's worth of pension money if he opts to pay into it at his new school.

I did a quick check to see if pension is mandatory, because I vaguely think I remember reading in the labor law there are exceptions to pension and severance - but didn't think they extended to a business like a hakwon and certainly not public schools. Here is a mention I found:

Quote:
Since 1999, all foreign workers between the ages of 18 and 60, regardless of the size of the workplace or the number of employees, have been included in the mandatory Korean National Pension Scheme with only a few exceptions.


http://www.korea4expats.com/article-pension-obligations-rights.html

Technically, I can see the government's point in requiring the worker (and previous schools) to pay missed payments into the system.

This covers every worker in the country. This retirement entitlement is a huge fund over a long term. I am assuming the money just doesn't sit in a bank vault waiting for people to collect on it. That the gov takes advantage of secure investments to ensure that funds will be available for everyone now and in the future so tax payers will not have to bail the system out. Or at minimum that the system factors in bank interest in keeping the system afloat.

I know it is more complicated for foreigners and complicated anyway for individual workers. That you could say that you'll only be collecting money off the number of years you've actually paid into the system. So, what's the big deal?

And I don't even know if that is not how the gov sees it too.

But, I can see some merit if they don't and require people to pay past due money.
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