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Karl Marx: anti-Semite
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Karl Marx: anti-Semite Reply with quote

(thanks to http://www.nikutai-to-kageboushi.com/discourse/antismtm.html)
In 1844 Karl Marx published "On the Jewish Question" 1, otherwise known as "A World Without Jews." Some excerpts:

Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry 1
The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. 1
The Jew is perpetually created by civil society from its own entrails. 1
The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of of the merchant, of the man of money in general. 1
Contempt for theory, art, history, and for man as an end in himself, which is contained in an abstract form in the Jewish religion 1
Judaism could not develop further as a religion, could not develop further theoretically, because the world outlook of practical need is essentially limited and is completed in a few strokes. 1
Jewish Jesuitism, the same practical Jesuitism which Bauer discovers in the Talmud, is the relation of the world of self-interest to the laws governing that world, the chief art of which consists in the cunning circumvention of these laws. 1
We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed 1
In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest 1
Christianity had only in semblance overcome real Judaism. It was too noble-minded, too spiritualistic to eliminate the crudity of practical need in any other way than by elevation to the skies. 1
it is only in the Christian world that civil society attains perfection 1
Indeed, in North America, the practical domination of Judaism over the Christian world has achieved as its unambiguous and normal expression that the preaching of the Gospel itself and the Christian ministry have become articles of trade, and the bankrupt trader deals in the Gospel just as the Gospel preacher who has become rich goes in for business deals. 1
Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature into alienable, vendible objects subjected to the slavery of egoistic need and to trading. 1
The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism. 1
Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism -- huckstering and its preconditions -- the Jew will have become impossible 1
This essay was only the tip of the iceburg, and it is clear that Marx held a racial component...

This young lady, who instantly overwhelmed me with her kindness, is the ugliest creature I have seen in my entire life, with repulsive Jewish facial features. 13
how much good does it do Mr. Levy to attack Mr. Disraeli and to turn an I into a Y, since Mother Nature has inscribed his family tree in the craziest lettering right in the middle of his face 14
little Jew Braun hasn't written to me since my manuscript arrived, and that was over four weeks ago 15
So we find that behind every tyrant stands a Jew 16
it is well-known that the Russian nobility are, moreover, indebted, to a large extent, to private individuals, bankers, tradesmen, Jews and usurers 17
The Austrian Kaiser's dependency on the Jews of the Vienna Bank grows in tandem with the military character of his rule 18
The little Jew Bamberger hasn't given me a centime so far 19
And as for the Jews, who since the emancipation of their sect have everywhere put themselves, at least in the person of their eminent representatives, at the head of the counter-revolution -- what awaits them? 20
Given how repellent the Israelite faith is to me, Bauer's view seems to me too abstract 21
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RangerMcGreggor



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People actually need to read the whole essay. He's actually defending the Jews and their desire to protect their culture.
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

I don't read essays by anti-Semitic unemployed losers who did their best "work" in a friend's basement and died w/o accomplishing anything even if they look cool on t-shirts of twentysomethings who know little about them.
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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:
I don't read essays by anti-Semitic unemployed losers who did their best "work" in a friend's basement and died w/o accomplishing anything even if they look cool on t-shirts of twentysomethings who know little about them.


Can't say I've ever seen anyone wearing a Marx shirt.
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

I have.
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shifter2009



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:16 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:
I don't read essays by anti-Semitic unemployed losers who did their best "work" in a friend's basement and died w/o accomplishing anything even if they look cool on t-shirts of twentysomethings who know little about them.


He wrote some of the most influential political/economic works of that last few hundred years. His influence is felt still today. You on the other hand have started a couple of weird threads on the off topic forum a South Korean website. Who hasn't accomplished anything?
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:09 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

"He wrote some of the most influential political/economic works of that last few hundred years."
-I guess you're right. He greatly influenced Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong Il and other tyrants.
"His influence is felt still today."
-Yes, just like the influences of malaria and AIDS are felt. That the influence of something is felt doesn't defend it. Meanwhile, communism barely exists anymore. Marx had his 15 min. of fame.
"You on the other hand have started a couple of weird threads on the off topic forum a South Korean website. Who hasn't accomplished anything?"
-All you know about me is a few threads I've posted here; you don't know what I've accomplished. What I admittedly haven't accomplished is a way to move to the Samsung Republic and work for a business owner and make him rich and consider myself a Marxist.
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northway



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:
"He wrote some of the most influential political/economic works of that last few hundred years."
-I guess you're right. He greatly influenced Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Jong Il and other tyrants.
"His influence is felt still today."
-Yes, just like the influences of malaria and AIDS are felt. That the influence of something is felt doesn't defend it. Meanwhile, communism barely exists anymore. Marx had his 15 min. of fame.
"You on the other hand have started a couple of weird threads on the off topic forum a South Korean website. Who hasn't accomplished anything?"
-All you know about me is a few threads I've posted here; you don't know what I've accomplished. What I admittedly haven't accomplished is a way to move to the Samsung Republic and work for a business owner and make him rich and consider myself a Marxist.


Plenty of philosophers throughout history have suffered the corruption of their beliefs by those that came after them. Moreover, as tends to happen, every leader you rattle off went ahead and picked only those parts of Marxism that appealed to them. Marxism has never occurred as Marx intended it to occur (in an already industrialized society). Everyone you listed essentially jumped the gun. Now, by no means am I a Marxist, but I'm not going to blame Marx for the indiscretions of those who corrupted his philosophies any more than I will blame Jesus for the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:

-All you know about me is a few threads I've posted here; you don't know what I've accomplished. What I admittedly haven't accomplished is a way to move to the Samsung Republic and work for a business owner and make him rich and consider myself a Marxist.


Please post a list of your accomplishments.
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Not that I think I have to explain myself to anyone here but I'll list a few of my accomplishments for fun. My children are healthy and well cared for; three of Marx's children died because he didn't support his family like a man. I can keep my sex drive under control; Marx had a son out of wedlock. My finances are in order; Marx squandered an inheritance that could have taken care of his family but instead moved into a house he couldn't afford and went back into debt. I'd go on but I'm guessing, since you defend Marx, that you're in your twenties and will inevitably outgrow this phase in your life. I hope in the meantime you're enjoying your life in the Samsung Republic and making your boss or bosses rich.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, why are you making fun of people teaching English in Korea on a forum for English teachers in Korea? More over why are you posting about Che and Marx on a forum about Korea? Your accomplishments are banal, by the way.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:
Not that I think I have to explain myself to anyone here but I'll list a few of my accomplishments for fun. My children are healthy and well cared for; three of Marx's children died because he didn't support his family like a man. I can keep my sex drive under control; Marx had a son out of wedlock. My finances are in order; Marx squandered an inheritance that could have taken care of his family but instead moved into a house he couldn't afford and went back into debt. I'd go on but I'm guessing, since you defend Marx, that you're in your twenties and will inevitably outgrow this phase in your life. I hope in the meantime you're enjoying your life in the Samsung Republic and making your boss or bosses rich.


I agree with Northway that a lot of Marx has been taken out of context.
If you haven't read much, or any, of his work, then it doesn't bode well for your educational merit on the subject.

As to your accomplishments.
First you have this to say...
I don't read essays by anti-Semitic unemployed losers who did their best "work" in a friend's basement and died w/o accomplishing anything...
From your point of view...this person is a complete loser.
Then you compare yourself to that loser.
Setting the bar pretty low isn't it?

You have some interesting points to make, but you are a bit off on this Marx smear campaign.

You got called out on the other thread about his being a Jew and an anti-Semite...and you made you point. Well done.
But by all means...if you feel the need...carry on.
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whatisinmyhead



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I can keep my sex drive under control; Marx had a son out of wedlock.


hahahah. it's like you are a weird super jew/amish hybrid.

all your rants read as if you yourself, perhaps in your twenties (since you seem to have an obsession about 20-somethings loving marx), were really into marxist ideas. but then one day someone pimp slapped you with anti-marxist knowledge. you now project your former ignorance onto younger people to cope with your insecurity.

or you're just a weird dude.
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HELICIS



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
Dude, why are you making fun of people teaching English in Korea on a forum for English teachers in Korea? More over why are you posting about Che and Marx on a forum about Korea? Your accomplishments are banal, by the way.


I have to agree. Who sits around and gets pissed off or worrying because some guy who died more than a century ago hated Jews? Is your life that pathetic that you worry about garbage like that? Jeez dude, you are in dire need of getting a life. Go to Hooker Hill in the Itewon or something!Rolling Eyes
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ED209



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I still wear my Mel Gibson T-shirt?
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