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Living In Seoul while teaching in Gyeonggi
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mindlessroller21



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Living In Seoul while teaching in Gyeonggi Reply with quote

I finally have my documents and my job search has now begun. It has been a little disheartening however because I was 100% set on living in Seoul and I haven't been having any luck finding positions downtown.

I have however been getting several offers for positions in Gyeonggi do which would ostensibly be somewhere between a half hour and an hour commute if I lived in Seoul.

Is it common for people to do this? Would most schools be open about finding me housing that far from the school? Is this just a really terrible idea?
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's your first year in Korea it might be best to just take the housing the school offers you and just go in to Seoul when you want to do something specific.

If you should happen to really hate where the school puts you then they will probably not mind if you move to Seoul and take the housing allowance instead.......but be prepared to pay a large amount upfront for 'key money',..... and also assume that the housing allowance will not cover the monthly rent.
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ryanvandy



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on where in Gyeonggi you would be. Gyeonggi encompasses a large area and could be the difference between 30 minutes and 90 minutes on the subway.

The school would probably be hesitant to offer you housing in Seoul as it is generally more expensive. They would probably offer you a monthly stipend if anything and you'd end up paying the difference out of pocket.

My advice to you is to be patient until a job in Seoul opens up. Seoul really is the difference between living a homogenous redundant everyday life (Gyeonggi) and having opportunities (Seoul). I know you are probably anxious to get to Korea but an extra month so you enjoy a full year the way you want to is worth it.

Good luck.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've known some people who lived in central Seoul on Line 4 and commuted to Pyeongchon/Beomgye in Anyang, as well as some Yangjae area people who commuted to Bundang/Yongin. That said, it's more something to look into in your second year than in your first. Most schools aren't going to be crazy about that idea for a fresh off the boat teacher.
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mindlessroller21



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any ideas for broadning my search for Seoul specific positions? My search has been limited to the job boards thus far....
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Baron



Joined: 30 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently live around the Jamsil area and commute to work in Suwon.

I need to take two buses and from my door to work; it's just over an hour and a half commute to work.

My hours are only 2.30 - 8.00 though with quite a good salary though so I thought it was worth the sacrifice. It wouldn't be realistic for a kindie/morning job in my opinion. I'm certainly not a morning person.

Im lucky my journey is predominantly via one of the inter city comfortable red buses. I can't imagine doing the journey via subway.

I'll also echo what the previous poster said. I have experience and I was already in Korea when I got my job.

I don't think potential employers in Gyeonggi-do will be too enamored of your plan to live in Seoul and work at their school outside Seoul. They will just assume your here for the lifestyle Seoul offers and not to teach. I lived my first year in Yongin and spent my weekends in Seoul. My life isn't too much different living in Seoul now to be honest than what it was living in Yongin.

Im usually too tired when I get home from work to do much else except read/watch TV etc.
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Setaro



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're really, really limiting yourself by being so dead set on living in Seoul. Literally places half way across the country are less than 2 hours away from central Seoul, via the KTX. Hell you could live in Daegu and be in Seoul within 2 hours.

If you didn't mind being in another region, you could get a public school job within 1 month, tops. My friend applied for a PS job in Gyeongnam and got a position within 3 weeks. Why? Because 90% of people want a job in Seoul for some bizarre reason, not realising even Busan is only 3 hours away from Seoul on the KTX.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My life isn't too much different living in Seoul now to be honest than what it was living in Yongin.

Im usually too tired when I get home from work to do much else except read/watch TV etc.



This.

Korea is kind of samey all over for everyday life. Only places like Itaewon or maybe Hongdae are noticeably different. An average neighborhood in Seoul is just going to be like any neighborhood in Gyeonggi-do.

It's much more important to get a good job than live in Seoul. Living in Seoul isn't going to guarantee you a good year.
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the fact that you mention "downtown" in your post suggests that you really don't understand the kind of city Seoul is. There is no downtown. There are several central, happening areas, but there isn't a central area that ties the city together. Some cities outside of Seoul provide faster and easier access to these centers than living in some areas of Seoul itself would. If you tell a recruiter that you want downtown Seoul it's a meaningless statement.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Also, the fact that you mention "downtown" in your post suggests that you really don't understand the kind of city Seoul is. There is no downtown. There are several central, happening areas, but there isn't a central area that ties the city together. Some cities outside of Seoul provide faster and easier access to these centers than living in some areas of Seoul itself would. If you tell a recruiter that you want downtown Seoul it's a meaningless statement.


Right. I live in Pangyo, Gyeonggi-do......the express bus to Gangnam Station or Itaewon takes an unbelievable 20 minutes! Which is faster than it took me to get there when I lived in Nowon-gu, Seoul!
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
northway wrote:
Also, the fact that you mention "downtown" in your post suggests that you really don't understand the kind of city Seoul is. There is no downtown. There are several central, happening areas, but there isn't a central area that ties the city together. Some cities outside of Seoul provide faster and easier access to these centers than living in some areas of Seoul itself would. If you tell a recruiter that you want downtown Seoul it's a meaningless statement.


Right. I live in Pangyo, Gyeonggi-do......the express bus to Gangnam Station or Itaewon takes an unbelievable 20 minutes! Which is faster than it took me to get there when I lived in Nowon-gu, Seoul!


This even applies to the subway though. If you live on Line 4, particularly on the south side (Anyang, Gunpo, Gwacheon, or Uiwang) you can get pretty much anywhere in Seoul in about 45 minutes taking the train. The same isn't true for a lot of parts of Seoul.
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sallymonster



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
eamo wrote:
northway wrote:
Also, the fact that you mention "downtown" in your post suggests that you really don't understand the kind of city Seoul is. There is no downtown. There are several central, happening areas, but there isn't a central area that ties the city together. Some cities outside of Seoul provide faster and easier access to these centers than living in some areas of Seoul itself would. If you tell a recruiter that you want downtown Seoul it's a meaningless statement.


Right. I live in Pangyo, Gyeonggi-do......the express bus to Gangnam Station or Itaewon takes an unbelievable 20 minutes! Which is faster than it took me to get there when I lived in Nowon-gu, Seoul!


This even applies to the subway though. If you live on Line 4, particularly on the south side (Anyang, Gunpo, Gwacheon, or Uiwang) you can get pretty much anywhere in Seoul in about 45 minutes taking the train. The same isn't true for a lot of parts of Seoul.


I second (third?) these suggestions. I live by Beomgye Station in Anyang, Gyeonggi, and I'm closer to notable areas of Seoul like Itaewon and Gangnam, than people I've met who live in Olympic Park and Nowon (which are neighborhoods IN Seoul!).

However, be careful of which city in Gyeonggi you go to. As someone here mentioned, some Gyeonggi towns are up to 2 hours from Seoul! Cities with good proximity to Seoul include: Anyang/Gunpo, Seongnam/Bundang/Pangyo, Gwangmyeong, Gwacheon, Bucheon, and maybe Guri.

Decent cities a bit further from Seoul: Ilsan (Goyang), Suji (Yongin), Dongtan (Hwaseong). Beware, though: Yongin and Hwaseong, while called "cities", actually cover large rural areas. Make absolute sure you're in one of the actual urban areas of these "cities" I've named above before signing!
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Lazio



Joined: 15 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the last few posters. One can be pretty far from everything while living within Seoul. The areas which fall into this category are indeed Nowon, and both ends of #5 line. Used to live at Hwagok and it was so far from everything. Almost always had to transfer which made the trips even longer. And there are several stations further out on that line, still in Seoul. Same is true for the other ends of the line after Cheonho Stn.
On the other hand, living on the edge of Seoul doesn't always mean far from everything. I live in Sadang and if I walk 15-20 minutes south I'm already in Gyeongi but it is an awesome spot to reach most of the city in a relatively short time. Speaking of which, our place is available from december Wink Can be found in "Buy/Sell"
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably more trouble than it's worth for you in your first year, but it might be doable depending on where you're working. I work in Gyeonggi, and a lot of my coworkers commute in from Seoul, and it takes them about an hour each way. Where's your job?
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mindlessroller21



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been incredibly useful! I really didn't see myself changing my mind on the whole issue but I think you guys have done it!

I'm going to start opening up to the towns mentioned in Gyeonggi
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