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[weso1]

Infighting on the right - Base conservatives vs. Moderate mainstreamers. Tea-vangelicals vs. Golden calf Wall Streeters. Left-over Bushies vs. left-over non-Busihies. I think the right is currently in a cease fire mode among themselves, but that cease fire could quickly be coming to an end. There are a lot of lower middle class ubber Christian Southerners that have a problem with the "more tax cuts for the rich!" motto coming out of Republican money supporters. The more they start to realize they're being forced to throw their support behind Romney, the less they're going to like it.

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An un-electable nominee. Let's face it, Romney is going to be the guy, but if you look at his history, he's not a very good politician. He's only been elected once. The only public office is held is one term as Gov. And he just does not motivate the base to get out and vote for him. Sure, there will be plenty of "anti-Obama" votes that will go out and vote for anybody, but you need a huge swell of support to unseat a sitting President, which is why it doesn't happen all that often. Plus, he just has a kind of polished plastic phoniness about him that independents pick up on. He's not approachable in person, her makes awkward comments and jokes that people don't get. Southerners feel strange around him because of his "Mormonness" that oozes out of him. He is the very best answer to John Kerry the Republicans could find. Bush never went to war, Kerry did. Sounds good, until you learn he wore the uniform more to parade around in it rather than fight. Romney was a business man. Okay, sounds good... oh wait, his business was closing down factories and laying off workers. Hmmm.

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Populist surge on the left. Yeah, Occupy Wall Street is just getting started and we don't really know where they're going, but it could be the Tea Party all over again. In the beginning the Tea Party wasn't the Tea Party. It was rednecks and angry white people protesting tax hikes (when the largest middle class tax hike was coming down the pipes.) Then it was random shouting at town halls with no clear message. Some were protesting the infringement of gun rights (with no infringement ever taking place) some where protesting the government take over of medicare (boy I bet their face was red when someone clued them in on that one) some where just there to call the President Hitler and the Joker and hold American flags with Christian crosses painted on them. They were organized in spirit and tactics, but not in message. Sound familiar? Give OWS another month and I bet their "get money out of politics" message will start to take shape and that has a very broad appeal.

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4 more years?

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[Kuros]

[Nowhere Man]

The Tea Party started with Ron Paul (right-wing libertarian), then was co-opted by a bunch of pro-wrestling fans who stormed town hall meetings with sidearms (right-wing conservative).

Right-wing libertarians would best support their own endeavor by fighting off the right-wing conservatives who hi-jacked their position.

Instead, some pretend that they are doing some incredible dimension-breaking feat that takes them beyond the standard political spectrum.

That's incredibly self-indulgent, but far from the first instance of this happening.

The good thing, in my opinion, is that so-called liberals free themselves from trappings and discover that they aren't really liberal.

That may seem bad from certain perspectives, but I applaud it.

Post-2008, let's see:

-we've ditched the Alex Jones conspiracy whackos
-we've (partially) ditched the fiscal conservatives-anyone who said, "I'm a Blue Dog" should be shown the door
-in a more honest move, right-wing libertarians have left. Good on you, now work the right instead of mewling about liberals.


Obama, in his time of office, hasn't had a liberal congress to deal with.

-That's a huge problem. It essentially means a liberal agenda has not been possible since the 90s.

My response: Hand it over and wait.

[Kuros]

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[Nowhere Man]

[Ya-ta Boy]

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[Ya-ta Boy]

The OWS people, as well as a fair number of both parties in Congress know that the problem is money in politics. Moneyed interests have corrupted the system and is at the heart of the problem. 'Doctor, heal thyself' is a pretty futile wish. It will take an outside force to jolt the system off the rails it is on in order for anything to happen. It's perfectly transparent the Democrats are hoping the OWS crowd is that outside force.

There is another 'force' out there. The Tea Party and others held a meeting at Harvard a couple of weeks ago about pushing the states to call a constitutional convention to put forth amendments that would address the problem.

People, left, right, and center, have been complaining about the problem for decades. Maybe, just maybe, we are in the opening stages of a movement that will force an answer.

Question: Who pushed, weak as it was, for reform of Wall Street a couple of years ago, and who pushed back? Who is blocking implementation? Who says they will repeal?

[Ya-ta Boy]

The economy goes into the dumpster.

Conservatives: Don't do anything; the magic hand of the market will fix everything. Let millions of innocent people suffer for the mistakes of others. If you have no job it is because you are a lazy slacker.

Liberals: Use the government to ameliorate the wretched mistakes of the rich and try to smooth out the idiotic blunders of the haves.

Libertarians: Duh. There are conservatives and communists. What was the question?

[Kuros]

[Ya-ta Boy]

You are not an aficionado of hyperbole, are you? TJ would be disappointed.