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jrabernethy
Joined: 14 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: What to do when students don't want to learn English? |
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I have been reading a lot, gathering activities for language learning to make lesson plans. However, I feel like a lot of these activities are unrealistic for teaching at a Korean high-school. It seems to me like all of the good communicative language learning activities hinge on one crucial aspect: that the student, at least on some level, wants to know English.
I would say at least a good quarter of my students have zero desire to learn English (or anything for that matter). Another 50% only want to learn English for their test. Only about the top quarter of students want to learn English for English's sake. However, this top quarter ends up being left out because I feel like I have to pander to the lowest common denominator.
It seems like everyone views my class as kind of a "break time." My predecessor merely played games and gave candy, and I feel like I'm expected to do the same or they won't participate at all. It leaves me in a situation where I feel like I'm babysiting instead of teaching.
Any ideas or opinions on this situation? |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of high school? Technical high school student will be a lot less inclined to want to concentrate on English. Depending on the high school type the attitude towards the teacher can range from this person will teach and improve our students TO the teacher is just a babysitter till these kids move on.
You have to also understand Korean Education Culture. Many high school students are studying from 8:00 am to 10:00pm. So they get tired and bored with many things. Many want to study for the test and that is it. If the end they really do not want to be there.
Second, they are teenagers they are going to sullen one time and then crazy the next. They have their interests and very few of it will be English or Science or Math. It will be pop music and computer games.
In a sense your class is not a serious class. As a foreigner you are not considered somebody serious to pay attention too. In a mixed up Confucian logic you are low on the totem pole. I am not saying that is always the way it just a general attitude sometimes from students/Koreans.
My first piece of advice is develop a level of apathy. Do what you can but do not waste energy on students that will not try. Try your hardest to teach but accept you are not going to effect every student.
If you can make the class fun or interesting, but as you notice that can back fire with your students getting rowdy and lax. So you have to find that level of seriousness and fun. But of course you have to satisfy more then the students. You have to consider the parents and other teachers too. Do more games and fun activity that students love, but then the parents start to complain that Minsun is not doing well enough on his tests.
Also consider making your class a chance for the kids to relax and get a sort of break. DO some games, do some semi serious studying, you may even want to allow some kids to do other homework or studying. I let some students do that but they have to follow the general rule of shut up, do you work, and I will let you be.
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Setaro
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: What to do when students don't want to learn English? |
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| jrabernethy wrote: |
I have been reading a lot, gathering activities for language learning to make lesson plans. However, I feel like a lot of these activities are unrealistic for teaching at a Korean high-school. It seems to me like all of the good communicative language learning activities hinge on one crucial aspect: that the student, at least on some level, wants to know English.
I would say at least a good quarter of my students have zero desire to learn English (or anything for that matter). Another 50% only want to learn English for their test. Only about the top quarter of students want to learn English for English's sake. However, this top quarter ends up being left out because I feel like I have to pander to the lowest common denominator.
It seems like everyone views my class as kind of a "break time." My predecessor merely played games and gave candy, and I feel like I'm expected to do the same or they won't participate at all. It leaves me in a situation where I feel like I'm babysiting instead of teaching.
Any ideas or opinions on this situation? |
Make the content of the lessons relevant to your students. Is it mostly boys, do they like soccer, for example? Then do some lessons about sports/soccer, famous players, famous stadia, World Cup in Korea etc etc.
Do they like manga/comics, do they like videogames? Smart Phones? Korean Dramas? Then make the content of your lessons relevant to your students' interests, they'll be far more likely to actually want to talk about stuff then. |
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cj1976
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds pretty similar to my grade 3 middle school classes. I've given up trying to get them to speak and be more active. Mainly because my dinosaur of a co-teacher doesn't give a damn just as long as he gets then through the exam. The kids sleep, talk, play with MP3 players, do homework for other classes right in front of him and he doesn't care.
I used to make an effort, but after my C/T told me that the girls 'have given up on English' so there's no point trying to make them study, I have taken his cue. |
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jrabernethy
Joined: 14 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Skippy wrote: |
| What kind of high school? Technical high school student will be a lot less inclined to want to concentrate on English. Depending on the high school type the attitude towards the teacher can range from this person will teach and improve our students TO the teacher is just a babysitter till these kids move on. |
My school is an academic school, but the students are on the lower end of the scale. So I would say the school's attitude towards me is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. Obviously, the administration wants me to improve the students, but my coteachers and immediate superiors are okay with me just babysitting.
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| My first piece of advice is develop a level of apathy. Do what you can but do not waste energy on students that will not try. Try your hardest to teach but accept you are not going to effect every student. |
I definitely have developed a degree of this. My first couple of weeks I was getting really frustrated with them, but I've started to callous a bit. My only problem is when the bad students make it hard to learn for the good students, but that's just a classroom management problem then.
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| Also consider making your class a chance for the kids to relax and get a sort of break. DO some games, do some semi serious studying, you may even want to allow some kids to do other homework or studying. I let some students do that but they have to follow the general rule of shut up, do you work, and I will let you be. |
This is usually what I end up doing, and what my coteachers kind of expect I think. |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Also keep aware of expectations. You may find that what was okay and fine may not be fine the next. More games, No Less games, more homework, no less homework.
Talk to you coteachers and ask them regularly of your job and what they want. |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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koreans seem to fascinate about traveling more than anything else.
show them a picture of someone having a great time in a country that is obviously foreign.
then show them a picture of a korean desk jockey at his/her desk looking like they are about to commit hari-kari.
then tell them that the first picture is what happens when you learn english because it's such a universal language. then tell them that the second picture is what happens if you don't.
be sure to glare at the problem children knowingly when you are explaining the second picture.
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young_clinton
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The lesson material needs to be as relevant to the students as possible. Also trying to interject things that are novel is important. If the lessons aren't relevant to at least some of the things that teens are interested in you won't ever get them engaged. Some children will never be engaged with the lessons regardless and thier is nothing you can do about it. |
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Illysook
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| High school is tough but you have to keep trying, but don't waste money on candy. Students that don't want to be motivated won't even care about candy. Students that are motivated are often dragged down by the others. One approach is to design communicative activities and then go around to each group of 5 or 6 giving the most attention to the ones that most deserve it. |
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Illysook
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| High school is tough but you have to keep trying, but don't waste money on candy. Students that don't want to be motivated won't even care about candy. Students that are motivated are often dragged down by the others. One approach is to design communicative activities and then go around to each group of 5 or 6 giving the most attention to the ones that most deserve it. |
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