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Vix
Joined: 18 Jun 2010
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: To jail or not to jail? |
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| The labor board have finally got around to my ex boss's case. After months of ignoring me and lying to me he wants to make a deal. He has said he will pay me 300k a month until the debt is settled. He owes me like 5million as he didn't pay for 2 months and embezzled my pension. The labor board said I should just punish him as they don't trust him to even pay the 300. He would have to pay a fine and do a stint in jail, as he has been reported before. I want to punish him because he has been a jerk but I know he has a young family and I would be punishing them too. I need to decide soon. All my friends are saying I should just let him pay me slowly. What are your thoughts? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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You'll never see it without the bother of a lawsuit and then having the court seize his assets.
Jail or kiss it goodbye and let him walk away laughing all the way to the bank.
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Grantasmagoria
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Jail.
Having a young family is even more reason to fly straight and not screw people over. |
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curlyhoward
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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The family can still run the business with brothers, sisters, friends.
If you accept 300/month until you get 5 million, then you will be waiting over a year. How is he unable to pay more/month? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldnt make a guy go to jail over 5 grand, its a piddling sum in the bigger scheme of things. I doubt he's ruined your life but prison time could surely ruin his.
I'd cut him a break, write off the money, & accept whatever he manages to repay. Who knows, maybe he's on the verge of turning his life around & your not being vindictive could be the spark. There's his family too.
Anyway thats what I'd do. Ahimsa. I'll take a hit but I wont inflict one. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I had a Hongwon owner tell me the same thing my first year in KOrea. He/She is just putting off on paying you. Next month he/she will make some excuse on why he/she didn't pay you. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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You'll never see it without the bother of a lawsuit and then having the court seize his assets.
Jail or kiss it goodbye and let him walk away laughing all the way to the bank.
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This is exactly what will happen.
If he knows he is going to jail, there is some probability the money will magically appear. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
Location: being a hermit
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: To jail or not to jail? |
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| Vix wrote: |
| The labor board have finally got around to my ex boss's case. After months of ignoring me and lying to me he wants to make a deal. He has said he will pay me 300k a month until the debt is settled. He owes me like 5million as he didn't pay for 2 months and embezzled my pension. The labor board said I should just punish him as they don't trust him to even pay the 300. He would have to pay a fine and do a stint in jail, as he has been reported before. I want to punish him because he has been a jerk but I know he has a young family and I would be punishing them too. I need to decide soon. All my friends are saying I should just let him pay me slowly. What are your thoughts? |
What will you get for sendng him to jail? Satisfaction? Does that pay the bills for you? You need to do the right thing regardless of the fact your former boss may not.
My question is, if you have friends telling you to do the right thing, why are you here asking a bunch of strangers for advice?
I had someone screw me once but I do not believe in going to the labor board, the courts etc., I let them off and let it go (It was about 8 grand that they took from me). That person is now out of business and I have had a good career.
There is no guarantee that the person will change if you send them to jail, it is a possibility that they will get worse and seek to screw westerners even more. There is more than you in this picture.
My vote was not to send him to jail. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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If he knows he is going to jail, there is some probability the money will magically appear. |
Ultimatum and follow through. Money now or jail now, odds are he could work something out. If not, he got what he deserved. Right now he's banking on your greed to get some money rather than none. |
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Jack_Sarang
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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Jail.
Once faced with that prospect I'm certain the money will magically appear.
Once you let him off the hook he's just going to jerk you around again.
Good for you for seeing it all the way through labor. These immoral assholes need to learn that their scummy actions have real consequences.
Screw these people who are saying 'let it go'. This man has robbed you of $5000 and was apparently an acrimonious dickball during the whole process.
Get all your money back now or send him to Jail. That's the choice HE made when he chose to rob you. Not you. |
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alwaysgood
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
I wouldnt make a guy go to jail over 5 grand, its a piddling sum in the bigger scheme of things. I doubt he's ruined your life but prison time could surely ruin his.
I'd cut him a break, write off the money, & accept whatever he manages to repay. Who knows, maybe he's on the verge of turning his life around & your not being vindictive could be the spark. There's his family too.
Anyway thats what I'd do. Ahimsa. I'll take a hit but I wont inflict one. |
The OP stated that his boss has been reported before. Hopefully this would discourage him from doing it a third time.
This is not an isolated event. Hagwons withholding teachers' pay is a fairly common problem. Letting him go would contribute to an environment of unethical business practices with little fear of repercussions. Business owners need to be accountable for their actions. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:41 am Post subject: Re: To jail or not to jail? |
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| calendar wrote: |
| Vix wrote: |
| The labor board have finally got around to my ex boss's case. After months of ignoring me and lying to me he wants to make a deal. He has said he will pay me 300k a month until the debt is settled. He owes me like 5million as he didn't pay for 2 months and embezzled my pension. The labor board said I should just punish him as they don't trust him to even pay the 300. He would have to pay a fine and do a stint in jail, as he has been reported before. I want to punish him because he has been a jerk but I know he has a young family and I would be punishing them too. I need to decide soon. All my friends are saying I should just let him pay me slowly. What are your thoughts? |
What will you get for sendng him to jail? Satisfaction? Does that pay the bills for you? You need to do the right thing regardless of the fact your former boss may not.
My question is, if you have friends telling you to do the right thing, why are you here asking a bunch of strangers for advice?
I had someone screw me once but I do not believe in going to the labor board, the courts etc., I let them off and let it go (It was about 8 grand that they took from me). That person is now out of business and I have had a good career.
There is no guarantee that the person will change if you send them to jail, it is a possibility that they will get worse and seek to screw westerners even more. There is more than you in this picture.
My vote was not to send him to jail. |
Generally speaking I lean towards being an apologist, but this post is absolutely absurd. He broke the law in such a way that he can face jail time, yet it's somehow the OP's fault if he does? Spare me.
Based on what I've seen of your posts, I have a feeling you would sprint to the police station to report a foreigner for privates while defending any criminal who happens to be Korean. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
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yet it's somehow the OP's fault if he does? Spare me.
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i don't think, no..I know you didn't read the post correctly. I didn't make it his fault but then people who like to see others go to jail don't like to hear opposing points of view.
There is a better way to go and jail is not it.
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| Based on what I've seen of your posts, I have a feeling you would sprint to the police station to report a foreigner for privates while defending any criminal who happens to be Korean. |
You assume way too much and leap to too many conclusions. I do not rat people out but I do not condone nor encourage breaking the law. If you are doing illegal privates, please stop, because in the long run you will hurt other FTs.
The only absurdity I see comes form those who advocate jail for Koreans and support FTs who do illegal privates.( people like you.) |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| The only absurdity I see comes form those who advocate jail for Koreans and support FTs who do illegal privates.( people like you.) |
Yea, working and getting compensated (regardless if the country deems it legal or not) is just as bad as working (illegal or not) and not getting compensated.
Oh, wait, it doesn't. Of course I am going to rat out an employer who doesn't pay me before I see a Korean or foreigner working "illegally".
Assuming the job itself is legal (in the sense it's not drug dealing, stealing, etc...), the person rendering the service should be given compensation. This is a no brainer.
Play devil's advocate all you want. 20,000 won lesson will never compare to owing an employee 5 million won. |
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