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cle2kor



Joined: 06 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:00 am    Post subject: Question for the UNlicensed Teachers Out Here.... Reply with quote

*THIS IS NOT A TROLLING THREAD*


Remember the above as you read on. . .

I'm licensed, spent 5 years of my life eating, sleeping and breathing education in college. Did my time in classes, observed hours and hours of classes and watching other teachers, did my student teaching--basically put my due in.

Now, I understand it doesn't take a rocket scientist to teach English, but I can't help to feel my occupation being "tarnished" by basket weavers whose first choice was to solely come here for the "adventure" and get wasted-drunk with their friends on the weekends in Itaewon. How would you business majors like it if I encroached on your field, asking for your jobs with NO experience and NO education in YOUR field? Would you be full of glee?
Not to mention the crappy rep "my kind" brought to "your profession" by the behavior that has been on display for quite some time now in this country.

I have come across more threads than I'd like to have seen stating that "I'm deciding to come to Korea to teach English." Like what? I just spent 5 years out of my life for nothing learning how to be a teacher? You mean I could have been a basket weaver and still came here on a whim to "teach?" I just feel a bit jaded that my "profession" is open to anyone and my years of education has moreorless been invalidated. And furthermore, now I have a difficulty finding a job IN MY FIELD because of these other grads in God-knows-what pouring in like Noah's Flood. Aint right. Yeah, I know it's Korea to blame for the qualifications accepted to teach here, but still.

Now I know this thread will get BASHED by the fragile-minded "teachers" out there, but keep in mind, this is my first love: teaching.
This is your after thought after a failed attempt to get a job in your home country. Show what little empathy you may have when responding. I understand this may even offend the Mods (please look upon this thread with an unbiased, empathetic view), so this thread may not last long anyway...

Teaching isn't for everyone, and I applaud you if you are a good teacher even if you didn't go to college for it, but the ones that come here and make a mockery of my profession I have a particular disdain for.

I will take your comments now with a hasty spirit now knowing that you're all seething after i just inadvertently dismissed your worth as a professional "teacher."

Eh. I'm ready.
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DIsbell



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trollbait that doesn't try to obscure itself? I like; I'll bite.

I'm not a licensed teacher, and I never want to be.

Licensed teachers are, by the numbers, largely trained to teach in standard K-12 environments, typically in their native tongue and to shared L1 speaking students. Licensed teachers devote much of their studies to meeting local/regional/national standards and/or getting certified to teach subjects such as non-English foreign languages, math, or science. They complete practicum assignments in their native country's public school, and if they teach English it's mostly as L1 literature and composition- not a foreign or even second language.

Unless you're at an international school, may I ask what you're doing in Korea teaching EFL? You aren't trained to do this. You aren't a certified EFL teacher. You're barely more qualified than a basket-weaver by virtue of having your hand held by an experienced public school teacher in a public school back home for a few months... but it sounds like you couldn't score that gig as a full-time job back home.

Get a TEFL/TESL/CELTA with a relevant practicum. Until then, try to refrain from tarnishing my profession.







p.s. non-business majors enter business all the time.
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cle2kor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIsbell wrote:
Trollbait that doesn't try to obscure itself? I like; I'll bite.

I'm not a licensed teacher, and I never want to be.

Licensed teachers are, by the numbers, largely trained to teach in standard K-12 environments, typically in their native tongue and to shared L1 speaking students. Licensed teachers devote much of their studies to meeting local/regional/national standards and/or getting certified to teach subjects such as non-English foreign languages, math, or science. They complete practicum assignments in their native country's public school, and if they teach English it's mostly as L1 literature and composition- not a foreign or even second language.

Unless you're at an international school, may I ask what you're doing in Korea teaching EFL? You aren't trained to do this. You aren't a certified EFL teacher. You're barely more qualified than a basket-weaver by virtue of having your hand held by an experienced public school teacher in a public school back home for a few months... but it sounds like you couldn't score that gig as a full-time job back home.

Get a TEFL/TESL/CELTA with a relevant practicum. Until then, try to refrain from tarnishing my profession.







p.s. non-business majors enter business all the time.


I am MORE (formally) "trained" than you are (and please, let's not make this into a "I'm better than you" thread, because I'm not claiming to be, I just have a problem with those that come over here thinking teaching is something a simpleton can do and maybe even the cotton candy maker at your local fair can do, also.) And my concentration area IS in English and I don't know what they taught you at your Uni, but I'm sure it wasn't present-day pedagogies and practices.

You are missing my point.

Yes, non-business majors jump into business all the time, and praise be to the little entrepreneurs around the world, but it's not like they TAKE OVER your office in down town L.A. and make the job you trained for for 5 years SCARCE (and make a mockery of it at the same time.)

That's the problem.
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cle2kor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, double post.

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DIsbell



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
And my concentration area IS in English and I don't know what they taught you at your Uni, but I'm sure it wasn't present-day pedagogies and practices.


I have a TESL Certificate from a US graduate program and am currently in the process of completing an MA. I'm won't quiz you current methodologies relevant to EFL because anyone with decent google-fu could handle those in an internet discussion, but I'd wager that I've been taught much more current and specific pedagogy and theory relevant to EFL/ESL than someone trained to teach high school English in their home country.

You say your concentration was English, but is that ESL/EFL? And what do we teach in Korea?

So, may I ask why you aren't teaching back home? That's what you're trained to do.



Are you American? If so, please your thoughts on Teach for America and alternative certification programs present in nearly every state.
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You spent 5 years in college to end up working as an ESL teacher? I can see why you are upset and picking fights Laughing
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cle2kor wrote:
Yes, non-business majors jump into business all the time, and praise be to the little entrepreneurs around the world, but it's not like they TAKE OVER your office in down town L.A. and make the job you trained for for 5 years SCARCE (and make a mockery of it at the same time.)


The problem with your argument is that jobs aren't scarce here for people with certification.

I also think you've got a bit of a warped perspective if you think that non-business majors who go into business are generally small time entrepreneurs. I majored in political science and I know a bunch of people who went through my program and proceeded to jump straight into finance jobs.
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cle2kor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIsbell wrote:
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And my concentration area IS in English and I don't know what they taught you at your Uni, but I'm sure it wasn't present-day pedagogies and practices.


I have a TESL Certificate from a US graduate program and am currently in the process of completing an MA. I'm won't quiz you current methodologies relevant to EFL because anyone with decent google-fu could handle those in an internet discussion, but I'd wager that I've been taught much more current and specific pedagogy and theory relevant to EFL/ESL than someone trained to teach high school English in their home country.

You say your concentration was English, but is that ESL/EFL? And what do we teach in Korea?

So, may I ask why you aren't teaching back home? That's what you're trained to do.



Are you American? If so, please your thoughts on Teach for America and alternative certification programs present in nearly every state.

Yeah, didn't think I'd make many friends with this thread, but here goes:

No, I wasn't trained to teach ESL, but I was taught ways to reach young learners, if you have time look up Gardner's Multiple Intelligences. And I've learned the importance of Differentiation in the classroom. If I had asked you this in a right-now-face-to-face situation would have any idea as to what I was talking about?
Probably not.
But these two areas of education set the foundation to reach ANY and ALL learners regardless of ethnic or cultural background.
Eh.
I'm starting to sound like a pretentious D-bag, so I'll save the theatrics. It's hard to regurgitate what I've learned without sounding like a know-it-all, even if it may be foreign to you.
Listen, this thread may not pertain to you--but it struck a chord with you, so I am assuming you are not "one" of the "teachers" I am talking about. Rather, you may be one of the few that I would welcome into my profession.

Anyway, the reason why I am working in Korea in the first place is because I love to travel and I needed a job. I looked on the internet for a teaching job in the STATES and came across a job to teach in Korea. That gave me the possibility to work and travel at the same time.

If you live in America and know someone who is a teacher and talk to them on a regular basis, you may have heard that a teaching gig is pretty hard to come by. So, being though as it may, was my last reason to come here to teach. I'm still secure in my profession and doing what I love, so it's not a negative step back for me--more like a lateral move in a practical sense.

Can you say the same business majors?
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cle2kor



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote