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Mike410



Joined: 23 Sep 2011
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

Hello,

What is the normal amount of time a private school teacher must spend on lesson planning, preparation etc on top of the normal teaching hours?

"The Teacher will have at least 22.5 80-minute classes per teaching week. The Teacher is expected to devote no less than 2.5 hours a day at the Institute for lesson planning, student evaluations, teachers� meeting, consultation with parents, and supervision of play."

Is 2.5 hours a day on top of 30 hours a week normal for a salary of 2.1-2.2?

Thanks
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bbunce



Joined: 28 Sep 2011

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like to much. What are the working hours where you need to be at the school?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things that scare me:

1) A minimum of 30 hours per week of teaching is kind of a lot.

2) "Supervision of play" sounds a hell of a lot like "teaching hours that don't count towards overtime". I work at a kindy and I'll pop into the afternoon daycare and play with the kids for fifteen minutes or so most afternoons, but the whole point is that I'm not in charge of them at that point and can just hang out and eat their snacks. Saying you're supervising their play makes it sound like they're going to give you a gym class or something and then say you're not technically teaching and therefore it doesn't count towards your teaching hours.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

Mike410 wrote:
Hello,

What is the normal amount of time a private school teacher must spend on lesson planning, preparation etc on top of the normal teaching hours?

"The Teacher will have at least 22.5 80-minute classes per teaching week. The Teacher is expected to devote no less than 2.5 hours a day at the Institute for lesson planning, student evaluations, teachers� meeting, consultation with parents, and supervision of play."

Is 2.5 hours a day on top of 30 hours a week normal for a salary of 2.1-2.2?

Thanks


That is what happens when you look at the contract for the S(lave) L(abor) P(rogram) chain of hagwans.

In all seriousness, 30 class hours does NOT include prep time and a 30 class hour per week job IS a 40-45 hour per week job.

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Mike410



Joined: 23 Sep 2011
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Mike410 wrote:
Hello,

What is the normal amount of time a private school teacher must spend on lesson planning, preparation etc on top of the normal teaching hours?

"The Teacher will have at least 22.5 80-minute classes per teaching week. The Teacher is expected to devote no less than 2.5 hours a day at the Institute for lesson planning, student evaluations, teachers� meeting, consultation with parents, and supervision of play."

Is 2.5 hours a day on top of 30 hours a week normal for a salary of 2.1-2.2?

Thanks


That is what happens when you look at the contract for the S(lave) L(abor) P(rogram) chain of hagwans.

In all seriousness, 30 class hours does NOT include prep time and a 30 class hour per week job IS a 40-45 hour per week job.

.



So this is normal?

It is an SLP contract....you must be psychic!
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Mike410



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbunce wrote:
It sounds like to much. What are the working hours where you need to be at the school?




E. Work Schedule

The workweek runs from Monday through Friday in monthly periods. The teacher�s schedule will be assigned by the Institute Director. . If the teachers have morning classes, they begin at 9:20 and finish at 6:50 p.m.. If not, they begin at 1:00 and finish at 9:00 p.m., Monday through Friday. The teacher will be expected in the institute by 9:00 a.m. for the morning preschool teachers or 11:30 a.m., Monday through Friday, according to Section C.
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, does the contract say anything about serving lunch?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are actually prepping for your classes, and not just following canned lesson plans, the rule of thumb I was always told was 20 minutes of prep for one hour of class.

If you teach the same section to different groups of students, it still only counts as "one prep,", but if you teach the same students twice, it is "two preps," since you have to prepare for different consecutive classes.

When I taught high school in the US, I taught 3 classes of 9th grade English a day, 2 classes of 10th grade English, and 1 class of 11th grade English -- therefore, 3 preps. That worked out to about 5 hours a week of preparation (which does NOT include checking papers). Honestly, at the time, I couldn't keep my prep time down that low, and ran about 10-15 hours a week. Nowadays, the 20 minute figure seems to fit.

30 hours of teaching, if they are all different preps, and you are actually trying to prepare for your classes, rather than just reading from the book, playing games, or doing "free talking" would probably take well over 10 hours a week.
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Gorf



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly prep for about 15 minutes every day for 6 classes. Yet I spend about 2 hours every day sitting in the office pretending to go over notes or grading. What a waste of time.
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Mike410



Joined: 23 Sep 2011
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Out of curiosity, does the contract say anything about serving lunch?


Nope, serving lunch is not part of the contract thankfully!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any contract you get for work in Korea will be your 30 hours of classes PLUS prep time. While prep time is not considered as "teaching hours" it is part of the job (some of those other things that people never read) and is not paid "extra".

Your contract is not for 30 hours per week but 30 TEACHING hours with all that is entailed in teaching.

Some, like Gorf, don't prep. They are just here for the cash and holiday. They may be lots of things but a decent teacher isn't one of them.

Typically, your prep should be about 1/3 of your time so if you teach 30 you will prep for at least 10 more (40 hour week). As you gain experience and add to your box of tools and material that you can recycle / reuse that time may go down a bit but prep is still a necessary part of the job.

This will be true anywhere and not just in Korea.

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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Typically, your prep should be about 1/3 of your time so if you teach

I have heard a rule of thumb that for every one hour class time, an effective teacher does one hour of lesson preparation/marking. Depending on student level and material, of course.

Thus, the OP's abysmal 1,800 class-minutes per week "minimum" translates to:

ttompatz wrote:
30 class hours does NOT include prep time and a 30 class hour per week job IS a 40-45 hour per week job.

30 hours of classes per week is more like ~60 hours of work per week, if one wants to do a good job. (See above).
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ytide



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorf wrote:
I honestly prep for about 15 minutes every day for 6 classes. Yet I spend about 2 hours every day sitting in the office pretending to go over notes or grading. What a waste of time.

What student age(s) / skill level(s) do you teach?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

ytide wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Typically, your prep should be about 1/3 of your time so if you teach

I have heard a rule of thumb that for every one hour class time, an effective teacher does one hour of lesson preparation/marking. Depending on student level and material, of course.

Thus, the OP's abysmal 1,800 class-minutes per week "minimum" translates to:

ttompatz wrote:
30 class hours does NOT include prep time and a 30 class hour per week job IS a 40-45 hour per week job.

30 hours of classes per week is more like ~60 hours of work per week, if one wants to do a good job. (See above).


You aren't hearing conflicting things -- it is 1/3 time for prep, an hour for an hour for prep AND correction.

In most teaching jobs in Korea, the checking and other paperwork is minimal, negligible, or even non-existant. One of the drawbacks of the better schools and better teaching jobs is that as expectations rise, the amount of homework checking and other paperwork increases. I check nearly as much homework here as I did back teaching high school English in the US (well, I have about half as much checking here as there, which is also the highest amount I have had whilst in Korea -- I checked a LOT of hw when teaching in the US).
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Lesson planning time in contract Reply with quote

ytide wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Typically, your prep should be about 1/3 of your time so if you teach

I have heard a rule of thumb that for every one hour class time, an effective teacher does one hour of lesson preparation/marking. Depending on student level and material, of course.

Thus, the OP's abysmal 1,800 class-minutes per week "minimum" translates to:

ttompatz wrote:
30 class hours does NOT include prep time and a 30 class hour per week job IS a 40-45 hour per week job.

30 hours of classes per week is more like ~60 hours of work per week, if one wants to do a good job. (See above).


IF NONE of the lessons repeat and none of the classes are using the same book then I would agree with you but the reality is that you will have several sections of the same grade/age/group per week and only need to prep 1 lesson for 2-6 classes.

This is also true in public schools where you teach 2-4 sections of the same grade every week so you prep 1 lesson and use it for 2-4 classes.

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