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Denied access to a sauna even though she is korean....
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Denied access to a sauna even though she is korean.... Reply with quote

Here's the article...I would have never thought that someone would be turned away from a business because they looked non korean....

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/117_96613.html

any of you living in korea ever experience such nonsense?
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is a signatory to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms Of Racial Discrimination. Korea signed on 8th August, 1978, and ratified it on 5th December 1978.

[Source: United Nations Treaties Collection http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-2&chapter=4&lang=en]

On 5th March 1997, Korea made the following statement regarding the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination the enforcement mechanism for this convention:
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"The Government of the Republic of Korea recognizes the competence of the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination to receive and consider communications from individuals or groups of individuals within the jurisdiction of the Republic of Korea claiming to be victims of a violation by the Republic of Korea of any of the rights set forth in the said Convention."


[Source: United Nations Treaties Collection http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-2&chapter=4&lang=en]

Basically Korea must act on this or risk International attention for negative reasons.

I wish her luck and as a foreigner who will live in Korea for a very long time I would like to see people understand 'no foreigners' is racist and unacceptable from a country that sells products in every corner of the world.
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This! This is something you can legitimately get angry about people.
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murmanjake



Joined: 21 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No laws against racial discrimination? I didn't know. I guess I figured they were there, but just unenforced as so many laws seem to be.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's strange because I recently read an article in the same paper that boldly stated that there is no racism in Korea. Where's that Calender fella right now?
I don't think this kind of outrageous xenophobia is unique to Korea, but it is still quite sad.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
That's strange because I recently read an article in the same paper that boldly stated that there is no racism in Korea. Where's that Calender fella right now?
I don't think this kind of outrageous xenophobia is unique to Korea, but it is still quite sad.


I'm curious... Can you find the article?
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alwaysgood



Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A sauna employee refused to admit to the woman, a naturalized Korean, saying she was still a �foreigner� by appearance and foreign users may �make water in bathtub dirty� and �pass on AIDS.�



So many people are catching AIDS from hot tubs these days Rolling Eyes
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swinewho



Joined: 17 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's strange because I recently read an article in the same paper that boldly stated that there is no racism in Korea. Where's that Calender fella right now?


He's working in a sauna in Busan, whilst he's banned from Daves! Laughing
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
That's strange because I recently read an article in the same paper that boldly stated that there is no racism in Korea. Where's that Calender fella right now?
I don't think this kind of outrageous xenophobia is unique to Korea, but it is still quite sad.


I'm curious... Can you find the article?



It's just a poorly written opinion piece.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/03/162_52626.html
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
cj1976 wrote:
That's strange because I recently read an article in the same paper that boldly stated that there is no racism in Korea. Where's that Calender fella right now?
I don't think this kind of outrageous xenophobia is unique to Korea, but it is still quite sad.


I'm curious... Can you find the article?



It's just a poorly written opinion piece.


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2011/03/162_52626.html



Hahahahha

Thanks for that link, TJ. I had wondered where "the great doctor" had gotten to.

It's funny, I actually agree with a part of that opinion piece... That race is more of a cultural construct than it is a scientific one.

That being said, his dismissal of prejudice is asinine. One does not have to believe in witches to know that a few were accused and killed for witchcraft.

Whether racial theories are a scientific fact or not is irrelevant to the discrimination that is sometimes bandied about.

I'm surprised the author of that article has dropped the "doctor" title from his bio. Perhaps... Well, that's best for another discussion I suppose.
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r122925



Joined: 02 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I certainly agree that it's terrible that this woman had to experience this, I'm also somewhat bothered by the article/picture that the Korea Times has used here. Why is the fact that she is a Korean citizen important? Would it be somehow "less bad" if they had denied entry to someone who was actually (legally) a foreigner? Because that's what the article seems to imply. I realize that mentioning her nationality and getting her to pose for a photo with her Korean passport makes the story much more sensational, but it also confuses the real issue in my opinion. This sort of discrimination is wrong no matter what your nationality may be.

Am I being too sensitive?
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea seems like such a backward country when you hear reports that people believe you can catch AIDS from sharing a hot tub. This is 2011 FFS. What next? You can cure AIDS by eating kimchi? Oh, wait..
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The Floating World



Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking.

In 7 yrs heare I have never been refused entry to a sauna in any part of this country. (Though I have been refused entry to a swimming pool for not having a swimming cap even though I had a grade zero ball head at the time, but that's another topic...)

I know of one caucasion friend who has non contagious psoriasis on his legs and was told he had to leave a sauna, but that's all (not that I think that is okay, as he explained that it was non contagious.)
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whatisinmyhead



Joined: 31 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This means the Bible is correct and there is no such thing as racism, just hatred for others ― and that is sin. Korea is not racist and racism is not serious in this country; sin is, and that is not limited to the Korean people, for the westerner is as guilty as those they falsely accuse.


jesus christ. opinions like this make me angrier than racist people do. racist people are just ignorant. they're operating on an automatic level with no thought. this guy has some thought going on... retarded thought. and it would be impossible to change his mind.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, this thread feels incomplete without someone popping in to remind us all of the American south in the 1950s, apartheid South Africa, the genocide committed in Tasmania or current day Israel. Perhaps we should be thinking about what the Belgians did in the Congo too for an extra dose of white man guilt.
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