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justpale
Joined: 29 Jan 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:04 pm Post subject: what am I getting into? |
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I'm considering applying to G/EPIK. I've found lots of information about contracts and life in Korea and such, but I'm having trouble finding information about daily school life. I'm mainly interested in public schools.
What are the students like?
How much freedom in lesson planning do you have?
Are you expected to teach to the TOEIC?
What are these "Open Classes" I've been hearing about?
Are classes generally multi-level or divided by ability?
Anything else I should know? |
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mmstyle
Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: wherever
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: what am I getting into? |
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justpale wrote: |
I'm considering applying to G/EPIK. I've found lots of information about contracts and life in Korea and such, but I'm having trouble finding information about daily school life. I'm mainly interested in public schools.
1 What are the students like?
2 How much freedom in lesson planning do you have?
3 Are you expected to teach to the TOEIC?
4 What are these "Open Classes" I've been hearing about?
5 Are classes generally multi-level or divided by ability?
Anything else I should know? |
Try running a search, you'll get heaps of info, more than people can tell you on 1 thread.
1. this varies hugely. If you are expecting the polite, quiet asian stereotype, then you are in for a very rude awakening.
2. no
3. depends on the level and school. I teach middle, my coteachers barely speak to me, and I create all of my own lessons.
4. This is when you teach in front of others, for evaluation.
5. Again, depends on the school, but even if they are divided, expect a broad spectrum of ability. Korean kids do not fail and repeat classes...they just continue, and get more and more swamped, and fall farther behind. This means you may have fluent kids in your school, and other kids who can't differentiate between 12 and 20.
Good luck. I've done 3 years of K public, and I am so done with this system. |
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plchron
Joined: 26 Feb 2011 Location: Korea
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Epik means you might end up anywhere in the country, Gepik means you are in the province that contains seoul, but not actually in seoul.
Student attitudes depend on age group. Elementary are generally really nice kids with some problem cases like anywhere. Middle school kids are very wild and a little disrespectful from what i've heard from my friends that teach them. But again it depends on the school and the area you work at.
Lesson planning also depends on the school. At mine we "follow the book" and just do the activities in it while only changing the games from the teachers manual.
Never heard of TOEIC
OPen classes mean that a special lesson plan is required. Kind of a pain in the ass to type. Then it is either parents watching you and they give comments/ suggestions/ complaints to your co teacher when you are finished. Or you get watched and evaluated by teachers and administrators and then critiqued afterward.
Classes are a wide spectrum of ability because you have kids that go to night school for english lessons and then you have kids that don't know the ABC's. Usually the curriculum is simple enough that the low level kids can participate though and the high lebvel ones might get a little bored. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Location: Here
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:25 am Post subject: |
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What are the students like?
1% great, 10% okay, 89% nuts.
How much freedom in lesson planning do you have?
Depends on the school in question. At one I ran my own curriculum adapted to the national one but in my last ps job I had to sit on a stool for 30 mins doing nothing and then do ten minutes of literally reading words while the kids repeated them at the end. They could have had a tape recorder and saved a bundle.
Are you expected to teach to the TOEIC?
Bwah ha ha ha ha
What are these "Open Classes" I've been hearing about?
Pre scripted and pre practiced dog n pony shows.
Are classes generally multi-level or divided by ability?
1% good or better than their age on average, 10% okay, 89% - good luck.
Anything else I should know?
If you dont eat the canteen food and say it's delicious, you will become a social pariah. Not kidding, it happened to me. The slop was ruining my bowels so I started bringing my own food. Several middle aged men who were teachers and maintanence staff were very angered by this
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011 Location: The 90s
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:00 am Post subject: |
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A huge amount depends on how well-off the community you are placed in happens to be. If there's money sloshing around, there will be many more kids going to hagwons -- good because they can actually communicate to some extent, bad because they will often be exhausted in your classes.
1. This is impossible to predict. Personally, almost all of my kids are quite sweet, but I have friends with schools where the kids are almost literally hellions. Even in my school there are kids who can charitably be called a-holes, and others who are terribly obnoxious [my least favorites, the mimics...], plus then the ones who hate English, the ones who are so shy they won't speak, the ones who won't obey any directions, and the ones who are just flat-out stupid. In just about any PS job you will have plenty of all of these.
2. Also tough to predict. I have to teach to the basically horrible textbooks, including the absurd key expressions such as 'what seems to be the problem?' and 'may I take your order?' [seriously]. Depends on your co-teacher. We can use PPTs but they should be based on the book's goals, and most of the time I have to do the textbook activities even if they are useless and boring [as they always are]. If you have after-schools, or in extra 'special' classes, you can do more of your own thing.
3. Um, are you kidding? In PS? You are MASSIVELY exaggerating the skills of most PS students.
4. It means you are being watched by teachers, principals/VPs, parents, or some combination thereof. Your CT will go through a lot of ridiculous preparation including a lesson plan that is considerably more detailed than usual.
5. Well, divided by ability but that's a relative idea in Korea. Kids will be a huge range. In my 'A' classes some can speak quite decently and others are only there because they do well on rote memorization grammar tests. I would plan for a pretty mixed experience, catering well more to the lower end rather than the higher.
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If you dont eat the canteen food and say it's delicious, you will become a social pariah. Not kidding, it happened to me. The slop was ruining my bowels so I started bringing my own food. Several middle aged men who were teachers and maintanence staff were very angered by this |
Hah, well this may be the case in my school too but I truly don't care. I hate disgusting Korean food and there's no way I am going to actually PAY to eat it. Been bringing mine every day for months now. |
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justpale
Joined: 29 Jan 2010
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I tried some searches, but I couldn't find what I was looking for. Mostly just people griping about their hagwons or how long the application takes. A lot of discouraging posts.
What are the good things about teaching/working/living in Korea? |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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justpale wrote: |
I tried some searches, but I couldn't find what I was looking for. Mostly just people griping about their hagwons or how long the application takes. A lot of discouraging posts.
What are the good things about teaching/working/living in Korea? |
Maybe in the Frequently Asked Questions?
Perhaps in the 36 page thread for newbies about the next intake for EPIK (EPIK Spring 2012 - about 10 down the page from this one).
If you don't have the wherewithal to scroll down a page or 3 and spend a few hours reading then you certainly don't have the time to get on an airplane and fly 1/2 way round the world (especially since you have been a member here for almost a couple of years).
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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What are the good things about teaching/working/living in Korea? |
I don't think it is dynamically different than teaching/working/living in India, China, Europe, etc...
You have to look at EACH job on its own merits. I have had good and bad jobs all over. Sometimes, I think the problems are due to cultural Asian differences. Then I realize how ludicrous that notion is and remember jobs I had in my hometown where it was worse.
Look at the job, not the country to determine the experience's worth. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: what am I getting into? |
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justpale wrote: |
I'm considering applying to G/EPIK. I've found lots of information about contracts and life in Korea and such, but I'm having trouble finding information about daily school life. I'm mainly interested in public schools.
(A) What are the students like?
(B) How much freedom in lesson planning do you have?
(C) Are you expected to teach to the TOEIC?
(D) What are these "Open Classes" I've been hearing about?
(E) Are classes generally multi-level or divided by ability?
Anything else I should know? |
A) 10% great, 80% good and 10% bad/problem kids has generally been the breakdown at my schools (attitude not English ability though).
B) Almost complete autonomy.
C) No.
D) Dog and pony shows (as has been said).
E) Classes are based on age.
Yes..about the food issue. Generally it's only an issue if you've done something else to annoy them. I've bought my food to several schools and never had a problem including re-signing. |
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sing81
Joined: 09 Apr 2011 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: |
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koreatimes wrote: |
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What are the good things about teaching/working/living in Korea? |
I don't think it is dynamically different than teaching/working/living in India, China, Europe, etc...
You have to look at EACH job on its own merits. I have had good and bad jobs all over. Sometimes, I think the problems are due to cultural Asian differences. Then I realize how ludicrous that notion is and remember jobs I had in my hometown where it was worse.
Look at the job, not the country to determine the experience's worth. |
Not true. Certain countries are easier to work in because culturally they are more similar to a native speaker's country. For instance, while I was working in Korea I was shocked by the way Koreans at my job acted. They never seem to care about representing their country well. This was the first time in my life I have experienced someone showing so little pride and behaving badly among people from other countries. But some people are just shameless. I have yet to experience this anywhere else.
So I would say that the only reason to come to Korea is to make money and to see people behave badly with no national pride or self respect. I mean none! And what's worst is that they are acting like this in front of children. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:27 am Post subject: |
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sing81 wrote: |
koreatimes wrote: |
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What are the good things about teaching/working/living in Korea? |
I don't think it is dynamically different than teaching/working/living in India, China, Europe, etc...
You have to look at EACH job on its own merits. I have had good and bad jobs all over. Sometimes, I think the problems are due to cultural Asian differences. Then I realize how ludicrous that notion is and remember jobs I had in my hometown where it was worse.
Look at the job, not the country to determine the experience's worth. |
Not true. Certain countries are easier to work in because culturally they are more similar to a native speaker's country. For instance, while I was working in Korea I was shocked by the way Koreans at my job acted. They never seem to care about representing their country well. This was the first time in my life I have experienced someone showing so little pride and behaving badly among people from other countries. But some people are just shameless. I have yet to experience this anywhere else.
So I would say that the only reason to come to Korea is to make money and to see people behave badly with no national pride or self respect. I mean none! And what's worst is that they are acting like this in front of children. |
Never been to the UK then. Its full of badly behaved kids and people. Also national pride is considered is not considered a positive thing here, lots of people make out that national pride is the same as joining the BNP. Most British people moan about the country all the time and the weather. |
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