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smiles4ever
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 Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:21 am Post subject: Why part-time jobs are usually offered to only F visas? |
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Hi, I just got a quick question, not sure if anybody knows.
I'm curious as to why exactly part-time jobs are mostly offered to only F2/F4 visa holders? Is it because those visas allow part-time teaching without any other visa sponsoring? Or is it because they really want somebody that speaks Korean?
Is it illegal for any E-series visa holders to teach English part-time? |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not entirely sure. But I think it is because most E2 visa holders are tied down to one school. An E2 visa holder needs to have permission from their school (and the immigration office?) to work at another job. It isn't that common for someone to have permission from their school to work at another job but it's not unheard of.
I'm not sure if it is the same for F visas. I'm assuming because they can teach private lessons legally that they can also take on other part time jobs legally. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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In simple terms
E2 visa is a FOREIGN WORKER visa for English Teachers. To work a second location, a person under such a visa needs permission from his employer and to register with kimmi. The second job also needs to meet certain requirements. Furthermore, E2s teaching in PS are more restricted for second work location.
F-visas are RESIDENCY visas, not employment visas. Under such a visa, you are RESIDENT of Korea and can do whatever job you are qualified for and meet the standards of. Hence you can work numerous places under such a visa, much like a permanent resident has more options that a foreign worker in other countries. |
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smiles4ever
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the answers guys.
So basically, when they ask for GYOPOS, it's not really because they want somebody that can speak Korean as well? It's mostly because of the visa reasons? |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So basically, when they ask for GYOPOS, it's not really because they want somebody that can speak Korean as well? It's mostly because of the visa reasons? |
I wouldn't say mostly visa reasons. I wouldn't even think it mattered.
Immigration decides on visa issues and restrictions, not the school or recruiter.
I think the underlying reason has more to do with expenses. If you hire someone on an E2, you are going to have to pay airfare costs and living expenses. The F visa holder is going to most likely already have a place and you wouldn't pay a full salary just for part-time work. How is severance handled? My guess is you wouldn't get any severance, just get paid as you go.
This is not to say E2 visa holders don't do part-time work. It is just handled differently. The employer will hire you full-time, and then they will cut your hours and therefore cutting your pay at the same time.
We don't see these cases advertised obviously and that is why you only see part-time for F visa holders. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| So basically, when they ask for GYOPOS, it's not really because they want somebody that can speak Korean as well? It's mostly because of the visa reasons? |
I wouldn't say mostly visa reasons. I wouldn't even think it mattered.
Immigration decides on visa issues and restrictions, not the school or recruiter.
I think the underlying reason has more to do with expenses. If you hire someone on an E2, you are going to have to pay airfare costs and living expenses. The F visa holder is going to most likely already have a place and you wouldn't pay a full salary just for part-time work. How is severance handled? My guess is you wouldn't get any severance, just get paid as you go.
This is not to say E2 visa holders don't do part-time work. It is just handled differently. The employer will hire you full-time, and then they will cut your hours and therefore cutting your pay at the same time.
We don't see these cases advertised obviously and that is why you only see part-time for F visa holders. |
F-visa holders get severance when they complete a full-time contract. For part time work, it depends on how the work contract or agreement is structured. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Often times employers looking for part time employees put in "seeking F-series visas" to cover their butts. In reality they won't visually check any visas upon hiring, and will follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy in regards to what kind of visa the newly hired employee has. This isn't always the case, but often is, especially with "dodgy" schools. |
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Njord
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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This is only partly correct. Public school contracts place limits on additional workplaces for all teachers, including F-visa holders and even Korean teachers.
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
In simple terms
E2 visa is a FOREIGN WORKER visa for English Teachers. To work a second location, a person under such a visa needs permission from his employer and to register with kimmi. The second job also needs to meet certain requirements. Furthermore, E2s teaching in PS are more restricted for second work location.
F-visas are RESIDENCY visas, not employment visas. Under such a visa, you are RESIDENT of Korea and can do whatever job you are qualified for and meet the standards of. Hence you can work numerous places under such a visa, much like a permanent resident has more options that a foreign worker in other countries. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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Lets face it. The answer is that we are either:
A. Just better looking, as evidenced by the fact that a Korean actually married us.
B. Are married, and therefor, less of a threat to dating the young/single hotties on staff, or gosh forbid, the students.
C. If we get caught working in their school during a raid, they won't get fined (or fined nearly as much) for employing us.
Pick your possibility. 
Otherwise, I'd probably say Patrick is pretty close. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
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| So basically, when they ask for GYOPOS, it's not really because they want somebody that can speak Korean as well? It's mostly because of the visa reasons? |
I wouldn't say mostly visa reasons. I wouldn't even think it mattered.
Immigration decides on visa issues and restrictions, not the school or recruiter.
I think the underlying reason has more to do with expenses. If you hire someone on an E2, you are going to have to pay airfare costs and living expenses. The F visa holder is going to most likely already have a place and you wouldn't pay a full salary just for part-time work. How is severance handled? My guess is you wouldn't get any severance, just get paid as you go.
This is not to say E2 visa holders don't do part-time work. It is just handled differently. The employer will hire you full-time, and then they will cut your hours and therefore cutting your pay at the same time.
We don't see these cases advertised obviously and that is why you only see part-time for F visa holders. |
F-visa holders get severance when they complete a full-time contract. For part time work, it depends on how the work contract or agreement is structured. |
That wasn't the point I was making. OF COURSE, I already would have thought a full year would mean severance. My point was that E2 visa holders are less likely to work part-time since it's more of a package thing. The employer would want to work the E2 visa holder full-time, whereas they could just hire an F visa holder on a case by case basis. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| koreatimes wrote: |
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| So basically, when they ask for GYOPOS, it's not really because they want somebody that can speak Korean as well? It's mostly because of the visa reasons? |
I wouldn't say mostly visa reasons. I wouldn't even think it mattered.
Immigration decides on visa issues and restrictions, not the school or recruiter.
I think the underlying reason has more to do with expenses. If you hire someone on an E2, you are going to have to pay airfare costs and living expenses. The F visa holder is going to most likely already have a place and you wouldn't pay a full salary just for part-time work. How is severance handled? My guess is you wouldn't get any severance, just get paid as you go.
This is not to say E2 visa holders don't do part-time work. It is just handled differently. The employer will hire you full-time, and then they will cut your hours and therefore cutting your pay at the same time.
We don't see these cases advertised obviously and that is why you only see part-time for F visa holders. |
F-visa holders get severance when they complete a full-time contract. For part time work, it depends on how the work contract or agreement is structured. |
That wasn't the point I was making. OF COURSE, I already would have thought a full year would mean severance. My point was that E2 visa holders are less likely to work part-time since it's more of a package thing. The employer would want to work the E2 visa holder full-time, whereas they could just hire an F visa holder on a case by case basis. |
Interesting and I am sure this occurs to some extent as it does make some sense. Also note that you can negociate all sorts of things in a work agreement when it comes to pay and benefits so a F-visa holder can get bonuses in pay for example (I negociated some for a regular part time job I did for a bit over a year). The E2 can also work part-time (except the PS E2) and the procedure for getting that second job is far less complicated than it was before.
Still you make good points. |
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