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Halcyon Chimera
Joined: 01 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: Random question about height in Korea... |
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This is going to sound silly, but I assure you that my question is legitimate (IMO). I've caught a lot of flack over the years for my being vertically challenged/short. I am 5'2 and a 26 year old man. Now, kids here (my students) love to comment on it and say extremely disrespectful things in regard to it. Now, I am as thick skinned as they come, so it doesn't really hurt my feelings, but it gets irritating over a span of 26 years. How will my height be perceived in Korea by both professional acquaintences and the Korean youth? Will it be an issue? Kids here have literally told me that they don't think they have to listen to me cause I am short.
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah you are gonna get it a lot regardless. Your skin will have to get even thicker because of the BS but it happens. You can scold them or make them do what I do. I make them put their hands on their head, and if they are being really bad stand up. lol doesnt always work but i do other things too, like make them do homework or write. REally depends on you BUT dont let it go on much more, make examples of some kids or something so they know who is in charge |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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as far as businessmen and the matter, it doesnt matter as much as your personality and ability to joke and take it and give it as well. My aunt(korean side) and her entire family are short, im talking like 5'1'' to 5'4'' (this includes my cousins!) but her and my uncle own 5 buildings, my uncle gets UTMOST respect at his job and isnt afraid to joke about his own height too. |
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Halcyon Chimera
Joined: 01 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. That is another question of mine. What avenues of discipline are available in South Korea? Or does it just depend on the school? Is corporal punishment still around?? I know in the states, it's been just about outlawed, unfortunately. If it's anything like the US, teachers' hands will be tied for the most part in regard to disciplinary actions they can take.
I was in the military for years. I can command respect regardless of my stature, but I want to have REAL consequences for misbehavior and disrespect, not this "slap on the wrist and send them on their way" crap |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Halcyon Chimera wrote: |
Thanks. That is another question of mine. What avenues of discipline are available in South Korea? Or does it just depend on the school? Is corporal punishment still around?? I know in the states, it's been just about outlawed, unfortunately. If it's anything like the US, teachers' hands will be tied for the most part in regard to disciplinary actions they can take.
I was in the military for years. I can command respect regardless of my stature, but I want to have REAL consequences for misbehavior and disrespect, not this "slap on the wrist and send them on their way" crap |
The thing is, it USED to be about corporal punishment, UNFORTUNATELY the schools have taken a step in the WRONG direction (IMO) because now the students have more rights etc. Reminds me of what is wrong with america's school system. Some teachers here still do hit the kids, but they are the older ones who were used to the old ways of it. Now a parent can become anal about you even grabbing a student and you can get in trouble. Its pretty stupid. My gf (korean) told me when she was in elem or middle school like 10 years ago, teachers would slap you or hit you if you were disrespectful. she said that kids learned more and had more discipline then. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Umm...corporal punishment is illegal in Korea now, I think.
Real consequences are great and the American school system has fast become a joke but corporal punishment is not the way to solve that. If you want to beat the crap out of bad kids please don't become an ESL teacher. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
Umm...corporal punishment is illegal in Korea now, I think.
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In Seoul and Gyeonggi province for sure. In my province corporal punishment is still allowed and very much used. |
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Halcyon Chimera
Joined: 01 May 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Zyzyfer wrote: |
Umm...corporal punishment is illegal in Korea now, I think.
Real consequences are great and the American school system has fast become a joke but corporal punishment is not the way to solve that. If you want to beat the crap out of bad kids please don't become an ESL teacher. |
Never have I suggested, alluded to, or even remotely hinted at a desire to beat the crap out of anyone; however, it is my observation as a certified, experienced teacher that immediate consequences (specifically, corporal punishment) yields immediate, effective results. |
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Zyzyfer

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, let me rephrase myself. I don't believe that using corporal punishment is an effective way to punish students. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Corporal punishment is immediately effective, but its effects do not last. It doesn't solve any of the problems that may have been causing the bad behavior in the first place. It'll shut your students up, but it won't make them any better students.
Unfortunately, more effective and less violent means of punishment require more effort and time from the teacher that could be better spent elsewhere. Sometimes, corporal punishment just might be the most efficient means of punishment, whether or not it's any good. This is a product of now nearly ubiquitous overcrowded classrooms and overworked teachers.
I don't support nor practice corporal punishment, but I certainly can't argue against it's efficiency in certain cases. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
The thing is, it USED to be about corporal punishment, UNFORTUNATELY the schools have taken a step in the WRONG direction (IMO) because now the students have more rights etc. Reminds me of what is wrong with america's school system. Some teachers here still do hit the kids, but they are the older ones who were used to the old ways of it. Now a parent can become anal about you even grabbing a student and you can get in trouble. Its pretty stupid. My gf (korean) told me when she was in elem or middle school like 10 years ago, teachers would slap you or hit you if you were disrespectful. she said that kids learned more and had more discipline then. |
So all we have to do to fix the American school system is to beat the kids like animals? Great. |
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weso1
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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There was a thing going around a year or so ago that guys under 180cm (5'10'') we're "losers" according to Korean girls.
So yeah, they're going to point it out and make an issue of it. If you're chubby, it'll just be that much worse. As foreigners, we're supposed to fill the stereotype of all being tall with blonde hair and blue eyes. If you don't fit that, they'll mention it.
I get attention from girls for being "tall" according to them. I'm 6' flat (183cm). Back home, I think that's about average. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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weso1 wrote: |
There was a thing going around a year or so ago that guys under 180cm (5'10'') we're "losers" according to Korean girls.
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It was one girl on TV who said something stupid. Unfortunately, the real losers (Korean male netizens) stalked her online and tried to make her life a living hell. I'm a short dude and I think that's really pathetic. If you're looking for a girl, being short can hurt your chances, and kids being kids, will probably make fun of you. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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fermentation wrote: |
chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
The thing is, it USED to be about corporal punishment, UNFORTUNATELY the schools have taken a step in the WRONG direction (IMO) because now the students have more rights etc. Reminds me of what is wrong with america's school system. Some teachers here still do hit the kids, but they are the older ones who were used to the old ways of it. Now a parent can become anal about you even grabbing a student and you can get in trouble. Its pretty stupid. My gf (korean) told me when she was in elem or middle school like 10 years ago, teachers would slap you or hit you if you were disrespectful. she said that kids learned more and had more discipline then. |
So all we have to do to fix the American school system is to beat the kids like animals? Great. |
Did i say that? good attempt at trolling and trying to twist my words. But alas you fail, because if you would read (and understand) what i actually stated you would see that what i put before was the point i was making. Kids in america have TOO many freedoms that they TAKE FOR granted. Parents and kids both TWIST the american school system to what THEY want. Having a school system where TEACHERS are AFRAID of the students is not a student, (not saying students should be afraid of teachers either) BUT students SHOULD RESPECT teachers. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
Did i say that? good attempt at trolling and trying to twist my words. But alas you fail, because if you would read (and understand) what i actually stated you would see that what i put before was the point i was making. Kids in america have TOO many freedoms that they TAKE FOR granted. Parents and kids both TWIST the american school system to what THEY want. Having a school system where TEACHERS are AFRAID of the students is not a student, (not saying students should be afraid of teachers either) BUT students SHOULD RESPECT teachers. |
Totally agree. But corporal punishment does not garner respect from students. The problem is much bigger than not being able to slap Billy's palm with a ruler until it turns red so he'll behave. |
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