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How much do we make (average) compared to other professions?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:39 pm    Post subject: How much do we make (average) compared to other professions? Reply with quote

http://www.payscale.com/research/KR/Country=Korea,_Republic_Of/Salary


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English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) Teacher $21,848

Sr. Software Engineer / Developer / Programmer $38,346
Elementary School Teacher $23,690
High School Teacher $26,400
General / Operations Manager $66,028
Software Engineer $33,063
Country Manager, General Operations $91,141


Gives a lot of other statistics too. Like 26% of us are female and that 27% of us have no health benefits.

Interesting to say the least.
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FDNY



Joined: 27 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First an ESL worker in Korea is not a profession. Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession#List_of_professions

Second, the salary of an ESL worker in Korea is wholly dependant on
how hard you want to work and how you interpret/follow the immigration
laws(which may or may not be fair, reasonable or in sync with the rest
of the OECD countries)
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Second, the salary of an ESL worker in Korea is wholly dependant on
how hard you want to work and how you interpret/follow the immigration
laws(which may or may not be fair, reasonable or in sync with the rest
of the OECD countries)


Yes and the salary of a manager is dependant on how many backhanders he accepts, the salary of a shop worker on how much stock he steals, the salary of a hagwan owner how little pension and medical he pays for his teachers etc.. etc...
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Daelim



Joined: 18 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also worth pointing out that relatively our salaries are around $5000-$6000 higher per year due to accommodation being included. It also stands to reason that our salaries go a bit further as most of us don't have cars to run, home improvements to make, and "Jones'" to keep up with.

We get a good deal here in terms of money, it must be said.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
First an ESL worker in Korea is not a profession. Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession#List_of_professions


LOL, and yet talking to the sky guy, on the behalf of others, IS a profession!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity_%28academic_discipline%29
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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daelim wrote:
relatively our salaries are around $5000-$6000 higher per year due to accommodation being included..
What?

So if we make 2.0-2.5 million/month base salary...
...according to you this means that...
...accommodations cost the employer 3.0-4.0 million/month! In which palace do they have you living, then? Very Happy

I believe the average Seoul/Gyeonggi Officetel costs 400,000 KRW/month rent, give or take, without utilities.

Factoring in the plane flight, recruiter fee, apartment-rent, severance, health-care, pension (if you're lucky enough to have an honest boss), the typical foreign teacher costs something over 3 million/month to the employer.
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ytide



Joined: 26 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monthly Salary -- Monthly True-Cost to Employer (see above)
2.0 -- 3.0
2.2 -- 3.2
2.5 -- 3.5 million


Assumed Costs Borne by Employer to calculate the above
Monthly Salary: As above
Airfare: 1.2 million
Recruiter Fee: 1.0 million
Rent: 450,000/month
Severance: Same as one month's pay
Healthcare: 50,000/month(?)
Pension: 1.1 million after one year.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These figures are way off.

There is a better way to look at things: how much money can you save here in Korea?

$15,000? So what salary would you need back in the US to be able to save this much money?

Some of us are saving $25,000 a year. To do that back in Canada, I'd need a salary of $80 or $90K.

ESL in Korea can be serious money. And certainly not $23K as this post suggests.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
These figures are way off.

There is a better way to look at things: how much money can you save here in Korea?

$15,000? So what salary would you need back in the US to be able to save this much money?

Some of us are saving $25,000 a year. To do that back in Canada, I'd need a salary of $80 or $90K.

ESL in Korea can be serious money. And certainly not $23K as this post suggests.


I would assume that these salaries are all comparisons of positions within Korea... and companies do offer things like free meals, bonuses (that aren't strictly reported as annual salary), and a whole slew of other perks depending on the company you work at (free loans, discounts, free airfare once a year, etc). Also, they provide a path towards career advancement, regular raises, and job security... all within Korea, so your savings potential is all that much greater.


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alwaysgood



Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do these figures include hagwon KT's? That could lower the average.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
First an ESL worker in Korea is not a profession. Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profession#List_of_professions

Second, the salary of an ESL worker in Korea is wholly dependant on
how hard you want to work and how you interpret/follow the immigration
laws(which may or may not be fair, reasonable or in sync with the rest
of the OECD countries)


Well, following your scholarly citation of wikipedia ( Rolling Eyes ), I am proud to say that the Professor title on my business cards and the degrees on my wall DO make me a professional. Thanks for clearing that up! Smile
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a company. My salary is the same as an ESL teacher without the housing.

So, because I gotta pay rent every month, my salary is about 7 million won LESS than an ESL teacher yearly.

Housing is huge. The fact that ESL teachers get it makes your salary very competitive over company workers.

Also, I work 50-55 hour weeks, no overtime. When I was teaching, I worked 40 hours a week, no more, no less. I left at 4:30 on the dot every single day. That was nice.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know for a fact that the average high school teacher's salary is higher than listed. That might be an entry level wage but that is not an average salary.
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Daelim



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytide wrote:
Daelim wrote:
relatively our salaries are around $5000-$6000 higher per year due to accommodation being included..
What?

So if we make 2.0-2.5 million/month base salary...
...according to you this means that...
...accommodations cost the employer 3.0-4.0 million/month! In which palace do they have you living, then? Very Happy

I believe the average Seoul/Gyeonggi Officetel costs 400,000 KRW/month rent, give or take, without utilities.

Factoring in the plane flight, recruiter fee, apartment-rent, severance, health-care, pension (if you're lucky enough to have an honest boss), the typical foreign teacher costs something over 3 million/month to the employer.


Jesus Christ! What are you sniffing up your nostrils? I said...

"relatively our salaries are around $5000-$6000 higher per year due to accommodation being included.."

to which you replied...

"So if we make 2.0-2.5 million/month base salary...
...according to you this means that...
...accommodations cost the employer 3.0-4.0 million/month! In which palace do they have you living, then? Very Happy "

Erm... I hope to hell you don't try and teach reading comprehension! I said that accommodations cost around $5-6000 a year not per month.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unposter wrote:
I know for a fact that the average high school teacher's salary is higher than listed. That might be an entry level wage but that is not an average salary.



If you look at the statistics you can see that the majority of people have experience from 1-4 years. That skews the tables. But if you look only at those who have more then it's a lot higher.
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