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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Rumblings of new government regulations Reply with quote

I don't want to be an alarmist, but I own a hagwon in Ulsan and we were recently summoned to a government run meeting informing us of proposed changes to E-2 regulations. Basically, the rules are the same as before, criminal record checks (inside of Korea and from native countries), original degrees, etc... HOWEVER, these documents are to be handed in every year, and these rules apply to all employees, E-2's and F visa holders alike. Suffice to say, the hagwon owners went ballistic, as it is yet another example of the govt. making out lives more difficult.

I should note that the criminal record check requirement was vague. I asked a govt. officer what he meant by a criminal record check; was it an intra-Korean record check or an actual FBI check? Of course, he did not really know, but thought it meant the FBI as well as the Korean check.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet what was meant was an annual local check, in line with the newish public school policy (for all teachers, Korean & foreign) to submit a simple form with ID number & signature to the local police station to run against the national criminal data bank.

Anything more would be stupid. I really dont believe immigration honchos are stupid. One rationale of the ramped up entry requirements was to streamline & simplify immi procedures for law-abiding longtermers.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
I bet what was meant was an annual local check, in line with the newish public school policy (for all teachers, Korean & foreign) to submit a simple form with ID number & signature to the local police station to run against the national criminal data bank.

Anything more would be stupid. I really dont believe immigration honchos are stupid. One rationale of the ramped up entry requirements was to streamline & simplify immi procedures for law-abiding longtermers.


They are probably talking about the new law as it pertains to verification of teachers by the local education offices.

They are the same as E2 requirements but were vague on implementation specifics and were meant to get around the loophole that non-E2s were slipping through.

Not sure how that one is going to work out.

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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Rumblings of new government regulations Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
... HOWEVER, these documents are to be handed in every year, and these rules apply to all employees, E-2's and F visa holders alike. Suffice to say, the hagwon owners went ballistic, as it is yet another example of the govt. making out lives more difficult.

I should note that the criminal record check requirement was vague. I asked a govt. officer what he meant by a criminal record check; was it an intra-Korean record check or an actual FBI check? Of course, he did not really know, but thought it meant the FBI as well as the Korean check.


Does anyone remember the huge fight between ATEK and the F-series visa people over exactly this issue? Looks like what I and the F-series people were pointing out is coming to pass.

And handing them in every year, even if you are re-signing?

China is looking better and better, if what you say comes true. I predict a shortage of teachers as the hassle of obtaining a CBC and certified copy of degree is going to get worse for long-term teachers here.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Rumblings of new government regulations Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
meangradin wrote:
... HOWEVER, these documents are to be handed in every year, and these rules apply to all employees, E-2's and F visa holders alike. Suffice to say, the hagwon owners went ballistic, as it is yet another example of the govt. making out lives more difficult.

I should note that the criminal record check requirement was vague. I asked a govt. officer what he meant by a criminal record check; was it an intra-Korean record check or an actual FBI check? Of course, he did not really know, but thought it meant the FBI as well as the Korean check.


Does anyone remember the huge fight between ATEK and the F-series visa people over exactly this issue? Looks like what I and the F-series people were pointing out is coming to pass.

And handing them in every year, even if you are re-signing?

China is looking better and better, if what you say comes true. I predict a shortage of teachers as the hassle of obtaining a CBC and certified copy of degree is going to get worse for long-term teachers here.


Yeah and who wants to bet that teachers will find out about it too late to get a CBC done because it takes what, 12 weeks? Then immigration will be scrambling again to rewrite the rules to allow everyone an extra year to get their checks done....
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Riker



Joined: 28 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Rumblings of new government regulations Reply with quote

South Korea has become a losing game when you calculate all the time + money just to get over there.

But the lemmings will still line up in droves for a job that doesn't pay health care, pension, and 30+ hours of teaching kids per week.

Unreal...
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all this is not in effect as of yet. Second of all, like many such "new" regulations, it stands a high chance of being relaxed and modified before becoming official.

So, in essence, keep informed but perhaps its a tad early to pass judgement on the "viability of Korea for foreign teachers" Wink

I know that sounds good and makes a loud bang but seriously now....


Still, working abroad has always been and always will be a comparative game. Foreign workers will go where they feel they get the best overal package in line with what they prefer. Korea will be chosen by some, China by others. Another issue is what can be called natural evolution of the asian esl-efl market. As such a market changes things happen. Look at Japan, over 15 years it went as the top ESL destination to a flooded market where requirements for jobs are higher and expenses for teachers are also higher. Korea will be no different and as the market shifts, the types of jobs and people that end up there will shift. Clearly the chinese market is wide open for the mass of entry-level positions with little to no requirements. That is a typical spark to grow an ES market populated with foreign teachers: ease of access and slightly improving pay conditions along with reasonable costs of living. So, what you will likely see is a shift for Mr or Mrs BA holder in anything with no experience from Korea to China.

The Korean market will then either struggle or move into another stage. Jobs for qualified teachers will however remain and the pay for these will remain far above the entry level positions that now flood the market.

Up to each of us to then decide where we feel the best opportunity lies.
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who used to get more pissed off with Korea than they should have over the past year but decided to stay on, I have to say that while these changes sound like more inconvenience, the more I hear about the insanity of Japan where I used to work, the better I feel about Korea.

The dysfunction and weirdness of Japan has really manifested itself with the 'Let the peasants be radiated for the sake of a farming minority and for preserving face' (deliberately sending radiated veget