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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
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 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:06 am Post subject: High School |
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Yesterday my Korean co-worker asked me about high school graduation. I explained how it was very important to find a date for the dance, and it was a couples night. He replied that of course there are no dances in Korea, and that also most high school students attend same-sex schools.
Well that's pretty sad. I thought dating and relating to the opposite sex was the most important thing learned in high school. All the fun I had in high school, dates, chasing girls, and even some sex (not saying a lot, but most people did).
I don't know. It just seems messed up that Koreans don't experience any of that. And that their parents don't want them to either. |
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Dodge7
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pkang0202
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Koreans start dating in University. However, the "bad girls" are dating in high school.
Because Koreans start dating a lot later than Westerners, their "maturity" is also behind. 24 year old Korean women will act like a 15 year old girl. Complete with 10pm curfew. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: Re: High School |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| also most high school students attend same-sex schools. |
Not sure what the actual percentage is, but it isn't as large as you think these days. I'd guess it's in the 60-40% range for single-mixed. Virtually all new schools are mixed and some former single-sex schools (if their student numbers fall of drastically) have been forced to change.
Although there seems to be some push back from parents, especially those of male students that want to put their sons in single-sex schools. Apparently girls are outperforming boys these days and the margin is getting larger every year. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| However, the "bad girls" are dating in high school. |
How old are you pkang? Only those old curmudgeon teachers think that these days. If anything, it's slightly encouraged these days. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| However, the "bad girls" are dating in high school. |
How old are you pkang? Only those old curmudgeon teachers think that these days. If anything, it's slightly encouraged these days. |
Truth. I've seen a big shift in general attitudes towards teens dating here. 10 years ago it brought down the wrath of parents & teachers, but nowadays lots of middle school students openly date. |
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weso1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| I thought dating and relating to the opposite sex was the most important thing learned in high school. |
Really? See I thought it was all that math, science, history, and grammar. Most high school students back home don't even know who they are yet, much less understand the opposite sex.
I don't think learning about dating is all that necessary in high school. It's a completely different game after graduation. Dating in high school bears almost no resemblance to dating as an adult.
I do think that kids here missing out on team sports is a serious hole in their social education. I use the knowledge from team sports everyday. It's more about learning a game, rather learning how to interact with other people. It's about learning how to lose, which Koreans know nothing about.
Kids need team soccer or baseball or whatever sport they find attractive. But in my opinion, primary education isn't complete with out it. |
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: Re: High School |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
Yesterday my Korean co-worker asked me about high school graduation. I explained how it was very important to find a date for the dance, and it was a couples night. He replied that of course there are no dances in Korea, and that also most high school students attend same-sex schools.
Well that's pretty sad. I thought dating and relating to the opposite sex was the most important thing learned in high school. All the fun I had in high school, dates, chasing girls, and even some sex (not saying a lot, but most people did).
I don't know. It just seems messed up that Koreans don't experience any of that. And that their parents don't want them to either. |
I respectfully agree and disagree. I do think relating to the opposite sex is an important life lesson. But considering the wealth of mistakes that teenagers make... hmm can't really justify and say it's a good thing.
As I recollect, several people from my highschool got knocked up, didn't go to college, and didn't take care of their kids. So... I'm not really on board with dating in highschool is a great idea. |
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Skipperoo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: Re: High School |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| also most high school students attend same-sex schools. |
Not sure what the actual percentage is, but it isn't as large as you think these days. I'd guess it's in the 60-40% range for single-mixed. Virtually all new schools are mixed and some former single-sex schools (if their student numbers fall of drastically) have been forced to change.
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I'm not sure if it's just my province, but even with mixed-sex schools the actual classes are all still single-sex. I'd be very curious to know how much inter-sex socialisation goes on in their breaks, because at my hagwon the boys and girls barely acknowledge eachother's existence once they reach middleschool. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Depends on the school. I have a mixed high school and only about 1/5th of my classes are unisex. The rest are all mixed.
And according to this most middle/high schools are now mixed.
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| Until recently, most middle and high schools were segregated by sex. However, because of complaints about differences in education levels between the boys and girls schools and socialization problems later in life, most schools have gone co-ed. |
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/information/general.cfm |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Depends on the school. I have a mixed high school and only about 1/5th of my classes are unisex. The rest are all mixed.
And according to this most middle/high schools are now mixed.
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| Until recently, most middle and high schools were segregated by sex. However, because of complaints about differences in education levels between the boys and girls schools and socialization problems later in life, most schools have gone co-ed. |
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/information/general.cfm |
I still think most schools boys and girls are still separated into different classrooms. I teach at a high school and that is how it is done. Seems to be the same in most schools in the area. I am told there of one that girls and boys are together in the same room. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought dating and relating to the opposite sex was the most important thing learned in high school. |
Really? See I thought it was all that math, science, history, and grammar. Most high school students back home don't even know who they are yet, much less understand the opposite sex.
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Seriously. Comments like the OP's seriously make me shudder. Kind of revealing of their mindset and world view.
I don't agree with people who view High School or school in general as a place for socialization and learning morals and all that. That stuff should be learned outside of school. It is not the school's function to teach that stuff, nor should it be.
And if I was a parent, I certainly wouldn't want to support the mentality that "The time in High School is the most important time of your life and live for the moment." I would want my kid to take advantage of their mind still being young and them having the free time to do things like read books and create stuff.
Also the OP is incorrect, kids date as young as 6th grade Elementary. Many schools are mixed as well.
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I do think that kids here missing out on team sports is a serious hole in their social education. I use the knowledge from team sports everyday. It's more about learning a game, rather learning how to interact with other people. It's about learning how to lose, which Koreans know nothing about.
Kids need team soccer or baseball or whatever sport they find attractive. But in my opinion, primary education isn't complete with out it. |
I know the elementary schools have teams and leagues, not sure about Middle and High School.
I think schools should offer After School sports programs but I wouldn't want to see them turn into the huge deal they are back home. School should be focused on academics. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| However, the "bad girls" are dating in high school. |
How old are you pkang? Only those old curmudgeon teachers think that these days. If anything, it's slightly encouraged these days. |
High school students are expected to go straight to Hagwon/Study Rooms after school and stay there until the middle of the night and go home.
The high schoolers that DO take time to date are the ones who are skipping either Hagwon or Study Rooms to do so.
Hence the "bad girls" in quotes.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Depends on the school. I have a mixed high school and only about 1/5th of my classes are unisex. The rest are all mixed.
And according to this most middle/high schools are now mixed.
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| Until recently, most middle and high schools were segregated by sex. However, because of complaints about differences in education levels between the boys and girls schools and socialization problems later in life, most schools have gone co-ed. |
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/information/general.cfm |
I still think most schools boys and girls are still separated into different classrooms. I teach at a high school and that is how it is done. Seems to be the same in most schools in the area. I am told there of one that girls and boys are together in the same room. |
Very well then here is a second link that says the same thing.
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| When United States military forces occupied the southern half of the Korean Peninsula in 1945, they established a school system based on the American model: six years of primary school, six years of secondary school (divided into junior and senior levels), and four years of higher education. Other occupation period reforms included coeducation at all levels, popularly elected school boards in local areas, and compulsory education up to the ninth grade. The government of Syngman Rhee reversed many of these reforms after 1948, when only primary schools remained in most cases coeducational and, because of a lack of resources, education was compulsory only up to the sixth grade. The school system in 1990, however, reflects that which was established under the United States occupation. |
http://countrystudies.us/south-korea/42.htm |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Depends on the school. I have a mixed high school and only about 1/5th of my classes are unisex. The rest are all mixed.
And according to this most middle/high schools are now mixed.
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| Until recently, most middle and high schools were segregated by sex. However, because of complaints about differences in education levels between the boys and girls schools and socialization problems later in life, most schools have gone co-ed. |
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/information/general.cfm |
I still think most schools boys and girls are still separated into different classrooms. I teach at a high school and that is how it is done. Seems to be the same in most schools in the area. I am told there of one that girls and boys are together in the same room. |
Very well then here is a second link that says the same thing.
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| When United States military forces occupied the southern half of the Korean Peninsula in 1945, they established a school system based on the American model: six years of primary school, six years of secondary school (divided into junior and senior levels), and four years of higher education. Other occupation period reforms included coeducation at all levels, popularly elected school boards in local areas, and compulsory education up to the ninth grade. The government of Syngman Rhee reversed many of these reforms after 1948, when only primary schools remained in most cases coeducational and, because of a lack of resources, education was compulsory only up to the sixth grade. The school system in 1990, however, reflects that which was established under the United States occupation. |
http://countrystudies.us/south-korea/42.htm |
just because they are in the same school doesn't put them in the same classroom. Those terms leave a lot open to interpretation.
I am talking strictly high schools |
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