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Cotto-Margarito II Sunday morning
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:36 pm    Post subject: Cotto-Margarito II Sunday morning Reply with quote

Miguel Cotto will seek to avenge his first professional boxing loss to Antonio Margarito Sunday morning (Korean Standard Time) in New York's Madison Square Garden.

I'm hoping this will be a good fight and that Marga-cheato gets what he deserves given that he probably cheated in the first fight with hand wraps.

Too bad this fight will not be aired on Korean sports channels. I say Cotto deserves another shot at Pac-man if he wins impressively.
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Katakuri



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you watch the Max Kellerman 'Face Off' with these two? Talk about no love lost Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyMWSU_AYI

I would love Cotto to win, but if Margarito's eye holds up then he wins with a late stoppage again in my opinion.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katakuri wrote:
Did you watch the Max Kellerman 'Face Off' with these two? Talk about no love lost Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyMWSU_AYI

I would love Cotto to win, but if Margarito's eye holds up then he wins with a late stoppage again in my opinion.


Seems Marga-cheato is a different fighter without the hand wraps.
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Katakuri



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Katakuri wrote:
Did you watch the Max Kellerman 'Face Off' with these two? Talk about no love lost Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyMWSU_AYI

I would love Cotto to win, but if Margarito's eye holds up then he wins with a late stoppage again in my opinion.


Seems Marga-cheato is a different fighter without the hand wraps.


Psychology will play a huge part in this fight. Despite the protestations (and rightly so) of Cotto about the hand-wraps, it was only ever proven that Margarito tried to use them in the Mosley fight. You can tell in all the build up to this rematch that Cotto is still desperate to know if Tony cheated. Putting that issue aside, Cotto was a spent force physically after 6 Rounds and wilted. In the first half of the last fight, Margarito was 'rope-a-doping' and absorbing countless attacks without really throwing much back. As illustrated in his fight with Pacquiao, you'll have to drag Margarito out of the ring on a stretcher for him to not make it to the final bell. This rematch will be brutal and I just think Margarito will come on strong rounds 9-12 and stop an exhausted Cotto (would love to be proved wrong though).
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riverboy



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really think this fight is about who is the least damaged goods. Both have taken some bad beatings at the hands of Pacman. Cotto, with Margarito and Margarito with Mosely.

Margarito has a lot of heart and is the bigger and stronger of the two. If his gloves were indeed loaded at the time, then I can see the skillset of Cotto being enough to outlast the tough, but flawed Mexican.

Cotto has always had stamina issues in my mind. He starts well, boxes well and has a good arsenal with good power, but he seems to run out of gas in the championship rounds, which may prove to be a big problem against a guy who will be in his face all night long.

I'll go with the notion that Margarito's gloves were indeed loaded and take Cotto 7 rounds to 5.

This fight has a good undercard as well. Brandon Rios is a future star.
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dennisdeecharliemac



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the fight will be broadcast on wiziwig for sure
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Katakuri



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

riverboy wrote:
This fight has a good undercard as well. Brandon Rios is a future star.


Yeah he's fighting John Murray, a guy from my hometown (Manchester). Can't see anything other than a Rios win in this fight. Although I don't think he has that great a defence, his power punching will quickly take its toll on Murray (who is a pressure fighter himself). I imagine Rios will knock him out in the middle rounds (I'm going for the 6th).

Additionally, there is the rematch between Wolak and Rodriguez. If that is anything like their last fight then it will definitely be worth watching!
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Malislamusrex



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeto with his plaster hands should have 50% of his purse given to charity for 5 years, I'm not saying the guy shouldn't make a living out of boxing, but what he did was disgraceful.... Cotto was going places until he got smashed with Cheeto's loaded gloves.

I hope Cotto puts the hurt on him.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah I was wondering when you were going to make this thread Yaya. I think too many people are banking on the possibility that Margarito did indeed have plaster in his first fight with Cotto. There's no real evidence of that and there are pretty good arguments that the Mosley fight was the only time his camp attempted to cheat. If Cotto finds out Margarito can hit just as hard, he's in for a long night. Due to his tendency to fade in the later rounds, I think Margarito has a good chance of bringing out the same result as the last fight.

That being said, I'm rooting for Cotto.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Ah I was wondering when you were going to make this thread Yaya. I think too many people are banking on the possibility that Margarito did indeed have plaster in his first fight with Cotto. There's no real evidence of that and there are pretty good arguments that the Mosley fight was the only time his camp attempted to cheat. If Cotto finds out Margarito can hit just as hard, he's in for a long night. Due to his tendency to fade in the later rounds, I think Margarito has a good chance of bringing out the same result as the last fight.

That being said, I'm rooting for Cotto.


Sorry dude, but many boxing experts believe the Mexican has been doing this for years. Boxing is by and large an unregulated sport and I'm thinking Marga-cheato should have been banned from the sport. He said he was "unaware" of the hand wraps, YEAH RIGHT!

Subsequent examination of photos from the Cotto fight show red stains on Margarito's hand wraps that are consistent with stains on the inserts seized by the California State Athletic Commission when it suspended Margarito's boxing license for a year.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/11/margarito-controversy-continues-to-swirl-around-cotto.html

I hope Marga-cheato gets his due and I'm sure Cotto will love dishing it out. Cotto was undefeated before meeting the Mexi-con and who knows what the outcome would have been if not for the hand wraps.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are other boxing experts who believe otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I think margarito should be banned from the sport but I think people will be in a surprise if they think the wraps are what won him the fight.
Also, I am not sure where you get "unregulated." It is mired with stupid politics and greed but "unregulated" it is not.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant by unregulated is that crooks like Bob Arum have been allowed to be major players in boxing for years. Of course, boxers have to pass physicals and the like, but when crooks are running the show, much like Don King did in his heyday, that does call for regulation.

The U.S. government has mulled federal intervention in regulating boxing for years.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who won? How was the fight?
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Joe Boxer



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cotto won 10th round TKO. Doctor stopped it due to Margartio's eye.
Margarito's eye was closed, but not nearly as bad as it was against Pacquio (?) a few months ago.
Good won for Cotto. Hope Margartio has damage enough that he can't pass another medical.
As for Cotto? One last payday vs. Mayweather seems in order. It will be a TERRIBLE fight, though. Mayweather doesn't engage his opponents, and Cotto isn't exactly a stalker in the ring.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Boxer wrote:
Cotto won 10th round TKO. Doctor stopped it due to Margartio's eye.
Margarito's eye was closed, but not nearly as bad as it was against Pacquio (?) a few months ago.
Good won for Cotto. Hope Margartio has damage enough that he can't pass another medical.
As for Cotto? One last payday vs. Mayweather seems in order. It will be a TERRIBLE fight, though. Mayweather doesn't engage his opponents, and Cotto isn't exactly a stalker in the ring.


I say Cotto has a year or two left in him. Let's not forget that his first fight against Cheato was his first loss, and perhaps the trauma of that loss carried over to the Pac-man fight.

I think Cheato is done. He had his final payday and nobody will want to see a washed-up guy who probably had his best days with illegal hand wraps. So what if he won't quit, he'd have gotten massacred had the fight against Cotto been allowed to continue.
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