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Bondrock
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schwa
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| Wow! Intriguing. |
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buildbyflying
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Ha. you beat me to it. I was writing when you posted. |
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Old Gil
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| This really makes Nobel look quite partisan and kind of diminishes the award. I mean I love Obama, but this is silly to nominate a President sitting for only 2 weeks. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| This really makes Nobel look quite partisan and kind of diminishes the award. I mean I love Obama, but this is silly to nominate a President sitting for only 2 weeks. |
I agree. |
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asams
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
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| This really makes Nobel look quite partisan and kind of diminishes the award. I mean I love Obama, but this is silly to nominate a President sitting for only 2 weeks. |
I agree. |
Ditto. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| what are they gonna do if he does nothing else to actually deserve it? take it back next year when Afganistan goes back to the Taliban? |
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buildbyflying
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Ok I'm going to play bleeding heart lib for this one.
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"His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
Asked why the prize had been awarded to Mr Obama less than a year after he took office, Nobel committee head Thorbjoern Jagland said: "It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve". |
The committee has an agenda. They've always had an agenda. It's been to award people who work towards peace progress. Now the award may be "unexpected and might be regarded as more of an encouragement for intentions than a reward for achievements" but if this sways the political temperature in the US that affects the world.
I don't care who you are where you are, you're affected when bad policy lets banks run amok, or if an inscrutable president decides to invade regions with unstable enemies bent on real nuclear destruction.
I understand the skepticism but I think their choice was a good one.
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asams
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Old Gil
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| what are they gonna do if he does nothing else to actually deserve it? take it back next year when Afganistan goes back to the Taliban? |
A good point. |
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schwa
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:48 am Post subject: |
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Who else on the complex world stage has raised more optimism across borders & cultures that reason might prevail in settling issues? Unproven as he is, Obama has lifted the mood of this world in bleak times. He's a gifted man. The US should be proud they elected him & this award will only lend him more gravitas in his dealings abroad.
Bravo the Nobel committee for a bold choice.
Remember last year's selection? Martti Ahtisaari. Undoubtedly a fine man, but compare the impact on global consciousness. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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But with him being the Commander in Chief of a war in Afganistan it seems like giving him the Peace prize is like the Nobel commitee is saying "we expect you to accomplish peace at all costs."
In other words, trying to influence US policy. |
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pkang0202
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Obama had only been in office 11 DAYS when his name was nominated.
Obama doesn't deserve the award. Give it to someone who has shown RESULTS. Give it to someone who's committed their life to Peace.
What a joke.
If they had given it to Obama after his term in office and it was deserving due to his accomplishments, then totally acceptable. Giving Obama the prize now because he gives the world a warm fuzzy feeling is absolutely ridiculous.
Excellent blog about it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-russnow/barack-obama-nobel-peace_b_314899.html
Sums up my feelings exactly. |
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Bondrock
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:04 am Post subject: |
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good points on that blog, thanks pkang0202:
"As the 2 a.m. PDT CNN commentator interviewed Norwegian experts and past Peace Laureates, just about all of them repeated the obvious: Obama was being honored for the hope of what he might accomplish as opposed to what he has actually achieved.
The Nobel Peace Committee has been accused in the past of trying to make a political statement, and perhaps, because they admire Obama and his groundbreaking presidency, in addition to his earlier anti-war statements and recent speech to the Muslim world, they are, by this action, hoping to jump start his ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-russnow/barack-obama-nobel-peace_b_314899.html |
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flakfizer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Lifting people's hopes? Why not make a new award called the Nobel Hope Prize? Maybe they'll give a Nobel prize for medicine to a scientist who boldly says that he will find a cure for cancer sometime in the future, as long as enough people believe that he will and their hopes are lifted. |
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