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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: Conservatives move to censor SNS |
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Shopping in Kangnam/Myongdong and listening to K-pop is fine, but discussing things that are anti-right will become a no-no if the conservatives get their way-
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/117_99972.html
by Kim Rahn
The government is moving to tighten monitoring of social network services (SNS) and smartphone apps by establishing a special team under the nation�s media watchdog agency.
An example of a no-no was when a Korean judge familiar with the details of the FTA claimed on his Facebook page that Lee Myung-bak had sold the country and Korean people out-
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20111125000751
The Supreme Court said Friday it has decided to refer a senior judge to the ethics committee to determine whether his recent Facebook post that criticized the government violated political neutrality.
The judge in Seoul, whose identity was withheld, criticized President Lee Myung-bak and his Cabinet in the post Tuesday when the ruling party-controlled parliament rammed through the free trade pact with the United States.
"I will never forget Nov. 22, 2011, when the president (Lee), pro-America to the core, and his trade officials sold the nation and the lives of its people," he wrote on his page. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Off topic...but I find it pretty cool that a Korean senior judge even has a facebook page~ |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, guess they got lives, too, apparently.
But the people pushing for measures to censor SNS are the same goons who rammed the FTA down the throats of the Korean people. It exposes the ugly fact that this not the fine, up-to-date democracy which Obama and Clinton are always heaping praise on, but rather the obedient boy doing his master's bidding to secure the deals which will rake in the cash for the privileged few.
Korean people are not stupid. If the deal was bereft of poisonous clauses and stipulations, there wouldn't have been a need to force it through. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
Yeah, guess they got lives, too, apparently.
But the people pushing for measures to censor SNS are the same goons who rammed the FTA down the throats of the Korean people. It exposes the ugly fact that this not the fine, up-to-date democracy which Obama and Clinton are always heaping praise on, but rather the obedient boy doing his master's bidding to secure the deals which will rake in the cash for the privileged few.
Korean people are not stupid. If the deal was bereft of poisonous clauses and stipulations, there wouldn't have been a need to force it through. |
It wasn't forced through the Korean people it was forced through the legislative branch.
And it appears that a majority (slim though it may be) were in favor of it at least since 2006.
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Reactions in South Korea appeared to have been more widespread and intense
than in the United States, a reflection of the stronger sensitivity the negotiations have
had there. In South Korea, the conclusion of and debate over the KORUS FTA talks
has generated front-page headlines. Some polls show public support for the
agreement in the 50%-60% range, though most also show widespread belief that the
United States benefitted more than South Korea. Generally, polls have shown that
public opinion began tilting slightly in favor of the agreement in the summer of 2006,
which is also when the Korean government began launching a more aggressive public
relations campaign in favor of the FTA talks.25 |
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Opposition to the agreement remains relatively strong (in the
35%-45% range in several polls) |
So less than half as opposed to slightly more.
(bolding mine)
www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rl33435.pdf
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
Yeah, guess they got lives, too, apparently.
But the people pushing for measures to censor SNS are the same goons who rammed the FTA down the throats of the Korean people. It exposes the ugly fact that this not the fine, up-to-date democracy which Obama and Clinton are always heaping praise on, but rather the obedient boy doing his master's bidding to secure the deals which will rake in the cash for the privileged few.
Korean people are not stupid. If the deal was bereft of poisonous clauses and stipulations, there wouldn't have been a need to force it through. |
Interesting how your ire is so focused on "the Right" that you don't bother mentioning the "Left".
Where we're your cries of justice during the Noh administration when he tried to silence people critical of North Korea/Unification?
What about your condemnation of Chung Dong Young and his ilk for making and pushing the USKOR/FTA when in power, and then doing an about turn and trying to bash it now?
Where is your "goon" comment in regards to violence in the National Assembly? I mean, both parties are guilty of it, but the DP and other Liberal groups are pretty famous for using violence to push their point. Heck, we just had one set off a tear gas canister in the Assembly. Yet, the Right are goons, eh?
I don't know the legalities yet in regards to this situation, but if judges have restrictions on them about political involvement, then it makes sense. I'd like to know what the actual laws are regarding such things. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I do worry if these liberals get in. Is it not these councils in Gyeong-gi canning their teachers? Are we a gonner, if the GNP doesn't get back in? I'm not too political about anything in Korea except for where it concerns us. Let's see what happens. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Yeah, guess they got lives, too, apparently.
But the people pushing for measures to censor SNS are the same goons who rammed the FTA down the throats of the Korean people. It exposes the ugly fact that this not the fine, up-to-date democracy which Obama and Clinton are always heaping praise on, but rather the obedient boy doing his master's bidding to secure the deals which will rake in the cash for the privileged few.
Korean people are not stupid. If the deal was bereft of poisonous clauses and stipulations, there wouldn't have been a need to force it through. |
Interesting how your ire is so focused on "the Right" that you don't bother mentioning the "Left".
Where we're your cries of justice during the Noh administration when he tried to silence people critical of North Korea/Unification?
What about your condemnation of Chung Dong Young and his ilk for making and pushing the USKOR/FTA when in power, and then doing an about turn and trying to bash it now?
Where is your "goon" comment in regards to violence in the National Assembly? I mean, both parties are guilty of it, but the DP and other Liberal groups are pretty famous for using violence to push their point. Heck, we just had one set off a tear gas canister in the Assembly. Yet, the Right are goons, eh?
I don't know the legalities yet in regards to this situation, but if judges have restrictions on them about political involvement, then it makes sense. I'd like to know what the actual laws are regarding such things. |
Amen.
I'd have forced a vote on it at gunpoint if I were the GNP. It's been dragging on since 2006, the liberals created and supported it, and now they oppose the very things they created. They wanted renegotiation, and they got it. They wanted the international arbitration board and they got it. They're just pissed that they can't be the champion of it, PLUS it is still a poison pill for certain groups, groups that tend to support the liberals. At one level, I think that some of the liberals are just toeing the line to appease their base. I'm glad that the GNP finally said enough is enough and voted.
As far as judges go, I don't care what the law says - a judge is supposed to be an impartial mediator. As such, they should keep their mouths shut on public issues. It's always disturbing when I hear a judge speaking out about laws, either for or against. Laws are not meant to be supported or opposed - they are meant to be guides, and when a judge makes a public statement on them, it automatically shows you that their judgement is compromised. Yes, they are human, and they obviously have their own views, but when they make them public, they undermine their office. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, the OP is so full of it. I'm not for SNS censorship but the OP lost all credibility by saying the agreement was forced on the Korean people.
Never mind that the ruling party has a parliamentary majority and could have passed the accord if the opposition hadn't acted with violence in parliament to stop passage just for the sake of opposition.
Numerous reports laud how the agreement will benefit both countries and such, but the opposition can't be seen to be going along with the ruling party.
Let's also not forget that the head of the main opposition party, who got a Ph.d from the University of Oxford, was once a member of the ruling party. His defection from a conservative to liberal party shows just how he can easily change ideology just so he can remain in power. Imagine the outrage that would ensue if Al Gore or Barney Frank joined the Republican Party. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I saw a similar situation and similar comments from ex-pats when I lived in Japan.
The US put extreme pressure on Japan to adopt a massive restructuring of its company employment system and open its markets wider to foreign interests, reasoning how the economy would be stimulated, leading to more jobs being created as free market competition would engender the usual benefits. Ex-pats at this point very actively got behind it, and voiced sentiments not too disimilar to the ones found on this thread.
Once Japan caved in, huge multinationals set up shop, leading to the majority of mom and pop shops to go belly up. Life employment (once the backbone of Japanese family/community life) was thrown out. This did indeed lead to a greater number of...jobs with partial benefits and no pension. Japanese society has been on a steady downward spiral ever since, with senseless crimes (strangers slashing the faces of school children randomly) occuring every week, along with your typical father murders children and wife type incidents becoming a staple as well.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/8-year-old-girl-stabbed-by-man-while-walking-home-from-school-in-chiba
http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/boy-reports-being-attacked-by-man-with-knife-in-nagoya
How does this relate to us?- Japan used to be the premium venue for English teaching in Asia, and arguably the world. I got there just at the tail end of the ride. Even though it was near the end , it was damn wonderful.
The implementation of those wonderful market mechanisms triggered the basic collapse of communities and families, leading to Kenji and Yukiko having to forego English studies, and ushered in the end of era, one in which you could easily rake in over 4 million won or more a month if you were up to it, and it wasn't unheard of people to really put their minds to business to the tune of 5 or 6 mill a month. All this while being in the midst of the one of the most sophisticated and intriguing cultures in the world, with delectable cuisine and truly lovely, well-bred/cultured women in abundance.
So I've seen what this process does to both the natives and the ex-pats. It's only the big boys who reap the benefits. Which makes sense, as they're the ones who always write the thing up to begin with. Those of you cheering it on have sadly been misled, again. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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So, instead of addressing the replies made to your comments, you switch gears completely.
lol |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| There's an obsession here to monitor and control every facet of society. The only reaction the government ever has to something is to regulate it. I don't agree with your ideas on the FTA but censoring SNS or anything is a step toward stupidity. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
I saw a similar situation and similar comments from ex-pats when I lived in Japan.
The US put extreme pressure on Japan to adopt a massive restructuring of its company employment system and open its markets wider to foreign interests, reasoning how the economy would be stimulated, leading to more jobs being created as free market competition would engender the usual benefits. Ex-pats at this point very actively got behind it, and voiced sentiments not too disimilar to the ones found on this thread.
Once Japan caved in, huge multinationals set up shop, leading to the majority of mom and pop shops to go belly up. Life employment (once the backbone of Japanese family/community life) was thrown out. This did indeed lead to a greater number of...jobs with partial benefits and no pension. Japanese society has been on a steady downward spiral ever since, with senseless crimes (strangers slashing the faces of school children randomly) occuring every week, along with your typical father murders children and wife type incidents becoming a staple as well.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/8-year-old-girl-stabbed-by-man-while-walking-home-from-school-in-chiba
http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/boy-reports-being-attacked-by-man-with-knife-in-nagoya
How does this relate to us?- Japan used to be the premium venue for English teaching in Asia, and arguably the world. I got there just at the tail end of the ride. Even though it was near the end , it was damn wonderful.
The implementation of those wonderful market mechanisms triggered the basic collapse of communities and families, leading to Kenji and Yukiko having to forego English studies, and ushered in the end of era, one in which you could easily rake in over 4 million won or more a month if you were up to it, and it wasn't unheard of people to really put their minds to business to the tune of 5 or 6 mill a month. All this while being in the midst of the one of the most sophisticated and intriguing cultures in the world, with delectable cuisine and truly lovely, well-bred/cultured women in abundance.
So I've seen what this process does to both the natives and the ex-pats. It's only the big boys who reap the benefits. Which makes sense, as they're the ones who always write the thing up to begin with. Those of you cheering it on have sadly been misled, again. |
You post links to crimes committed in Japan yet post no evidence for your hypothesis. And you say Japan is worse because English teachers no longer make 4 million to 6 million won a month? Get a life.
Say what you will but I hardly doubt the world will stand still simply because of what you think of the U.S. |
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mukukja
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Embracing a political party as an outsider in Korea is a tricky bit of business. A proud conservative or liberal in the West who tries to follow the same lines in Korea will probably end up confused.
The terms �progressive� and �conservative�, which generally have a certain meaning in western politics do not translate so neatly in Korea. For instance, most left-wing parties in the west will condemn North Korea for human rights violations and the like, whereas Korean Progressives try to divert attention elsewhere.
This is not to say that Korean Progressives are dismissive of North Korean atrocities, rather they focus on simple things like how America is destroying every sacred thing in Korea by virtue of being America and having the audacity to import beef and the like.
TL;DR anyone who zealously promotes the so-called left or right in Korea simply because they supported the same thing back home is an eeejit.
Amirite? |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| mukukja wrote: |
| The terms �progressive� and �conservative�, which generally have a certain meaning in western politics do not translate so neatly in Korea. For instance, most left-wing parties in the west will condemn North Korea for human rights violations and the like, whereas Korean Progressives try to divert attention elsewhere. |
The South Korean progressives that you are talking about also include pre-Korean War era pro-KMT (now Taiwan), anti-American conservatives who were/are amicable towards North Korea/USSR.
Of course, the South Korean progressive scene does have hardcore conservative minorities. Greatest example: my Korean War vet grandfather, a proud conservative but absolutely hates the Grand National Party and the LFP. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Interesting how your ire is so focused on "the Right" that you don't bother mentioning the "Left". |
Just like the majority of the South Koreans in their late 20s and 30s.
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| Where we're your cries of justice during the Noh administration when he tried to silence people critical of North Korea/Unification? |
Roh was merely following the pre-Korean War values made by Kim Gu (Rest in peace under the holy love of Jesus Christ). Roh did the right thing for the average South Koreans.
I'm sorry to say. No matter how much you criticize him, you are still wrong.
You can mock me all you want. I don't care. But I will never agree with your dying conservative position. |
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