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HeavyTZM
Joined: 25 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: Question about public schools |
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Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but I was wondering if the only way to teach at a public school in SK is through SMOE, GEKIP, or the EPIK program? I tried the search function and also searching on google but I couldn't get the results I was looking for. I was just wondering if there were any public schools that operated outside of these programs.
I sent in for my CBC about 2 weeks ago and from what I've read I understand it's to late to get into these programs.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Question about public schools |
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| HeavyTZM wrote: |
Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but I was wondering if the only way to teach at a public school in SK is through SMOE, GEKIP, or the EPIK program? I tried the search function and also searching on google but I couldn't get the results I was looking for. I was just wondering if there were any public schools that operated outside of these programs.
I sent in for my CBC about 2 weeks ago and from what I've read I understand it's to late to get into these programs.
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Yes and no.
Yes, schools can hire privately outside of the recruitment programs run by the education offices. Many of them do and since the provincial budget cuts came into effect, many of them have and will continue to do so in the short term out of their local funds and city allocations..
No, they ALL fall under the jurisdiction of their respective education office. As an example, even if you were a direct hire by a school in Gyeonggi province you will still be under the jurisdiction of GEPIK (the Gyeonggi Provincial Office of Education).
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HeavyTZM
Joined: 25 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info!
And these 3 programs cover the full geography of SK correct? That is to say that all the major cities have public schools? |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Sometimes, individual schools hire on their own too. You may belong to EPIK, but they either fund the position directly themselves or get funding from some external source. I knew of one school near this new industrial development area. The commision that runs it gave money to the school for hiring a NET amongst other things. But you will have to sift through the job functions here on Dave's. |
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Airborne9
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Sometimes, individual schools hire on their own too. You may belong to EPIK, but they either fund the position directly themselves or get funding from some external source. I knew of one school near this new industrial development area. The commision that runs it gave money to the school for hiring a NET amongst other things. But you will have to sift through the job functions here on Dave's. |
Quite right. As far as I am aware these are the only kind of teacher that are getting rehired through GEPIK. I.e. GEPIK teachers but not funded through GEPIK (or GOPE) |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| HeavyTZM wrote: |
Thanks for the info!
And these 3 programs cover the full geography of SK correct? That is to say that all the major cities have public schools? |
No. There are very few public schools in Korea. Children are too busy planting rice and working in Adidas factories making shoes for Americans to go to school anyway. Most of Korea is way below 3rd world standards and most people remain illiterate and uneducated.
Yes.
All major cities, all minor cities, all towns, all provinces, Eups, Gu's, Dongs, Districts and dog-washes have public schools.
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Question about public schools |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
even if you were a direct hire by a school in Gyeonggi province you will still be under the jurisdiction of GEPIK (the Gyeonggi Provincial Office of Education).
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Ttompatz.. from what I understand, if you get hired directly you do not fall under the programs (EPIK, GEPIK). You would be under the Local Office of Education, but the English Programs in Korea are administered by the NIIED. Since you don't get money from those programs you don't fall under any type of supervision, contract, or whatsoever from the programs themselves" |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Question about public schools |
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| cincynate wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
even if you were a direct hire by a school in Gyeonggi province you will still be under the jurisdiction of GEPIK (the Gyeonggi Provincial Office of Education).
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Ttompatz.. from what I understand, if you get hired directly you do not fall under the programs (EPIK, GEPIK). You would be under the Local Office of Education, but the English Programs in Korea are administered by the NIIED. Since you don't get money from those programs you don't fall under any type of supervision, contract, or whatsoever from the programs themselves" |
ummm yes and no...
You may not be funded by them but you are under their jurisdiction (EPIK is the MOE and administered by NIIED). GEPIK is the same animal for Gyeonggi province and administered by the GPOE.
Private hires to public schools are not necessarily bound as tightly as those recruited through the "programs" but they still have to follow the guidelines and play by the same rules (as dictated by the MOE and national superintendent of schools. They are also bound by the civil servants acts.
If you work in Gyeonggi then you are still under the jurisdiction of the GPOE (who use GEPIK; part of the policy division to make rules for the entire province) as well as the city office of education. Everyone falls under the umbrella of the national OE.
Same thing happens in other provinces but they, in many cases, use NIIED in place of the policy division to deal with the NETS.
If you are on an F2/5 then the rules are more similar to Korean hires and less like those for E2s.
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HeavyTZM
Joined: 25 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys.
So my question has been pretty much answered...I can get a public school job without being officially accepted into one the programs. And there are public schools jobs all across SK.
I noticed one of you mentioned something about the contract being different if you aren't in one of the programs. I know the reliability of public school contracts is what attracts many people to them over hagwons. If you are hired directly by a public school, rather than through one of the programs, is the contract less secure? |
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ttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| HeavyTZM wrote: |
Thanks guys.
So my question has been pretty much answered...I can get a public school job without being officially accepted into one the programs. And there are public schools jobs all across SK.
I noticed one of you mentioned something about the contract being different if you aren't in one of the programs. I know the reliability of public school contracts is what attracts many people to them over hagwons. If you are hired directly by a public school, rather than through one of the programs, is the contract less secure? |
No. It still falls under the jurisdiction of the office of education (same as all the rest of the PS jobs) and you have the same avenues of resolution if you have problems.
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HeavyTZM
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| HeavyTZM wrote: |
Thanks for the info!
And these 3 programs cover the full geography of SK correct? That is to say that all the major cities have public schools? |
No. There are very few public schools in Korea. Children are too busy planting rice and working in Adidas factories making shoes for Americans to go to school anyway. Most of Korea is way below 3rd world standards and most people remain illiterate and uneducated.
Yes.
All major cities, all minor cities, all towns, all provinces, Eups, Gu's, Dongs, Districts and dog-washes have public schools.
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Maybe they were confused and meant "public" school in the British sense. Or not. |
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18thchildofmymother
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Airborne9 wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Sometimes, individual schools hire on their own too. You may belong to EPIK, but they either fund the position directly themselves or get funding from some external source. I knew of one school near this new industrial development area. The commision that runs it gave money to the school for hiring a NET amongst other things. But you will have to sift through the job functions here on Dave's. |
Quite right. As far as I am aware these are the only kind of teacher that are getting rehired through GEPIK. I.e. GEPIK teachers but not funded through GEPIK (or GOPE) |
Incorrect. My school just received word that they will receive funding for a NET next year and it comes directly from GEPIK. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:29 am Post subject: |
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Well, my closest NET friend works at a PS in Uijeongbu. The GEPIK fundings in Uijeongbu has already dried up for a year now. Hence some PSs in Uijeongbu are "specialized in English education" or AKA have only a handful of big public schools with experienced NETs. These handful of PSs in Uijeongbu are not 100% GEPIK-funded from what I heard.
Then again, it's Uijeongbu, a city that is 100 times better than Anseong. |
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18thchildofmymother
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
Well, my closest NET friend works at a PS in Uijeongbu. The GEPIK fundings in Uijeongbu has already dried up for a year now. Hence some PSs in Uijeongbu are "specialized in English education" or AKA have only a handful of big public schools with experienced NETs. These handful of PSs in Uijeongbu are not 100% GEPIK-funded from what I heard.
Then again, it's Uijeongbu, a city that is 100 times better than Anseong. |
my point wasn't to state GEPIK is fully funded as before. However, they are funding "some" schools. The only reason I believe mine is being funded is I know they're part of some special program (that has nothing to do with English). GEPIK did state at the time of the big cuts last year that they would try to preserve the 800 something jobs they had left. I'm curious how many positions they fill be funding for 2012 (what percentage of that 800 something) |
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