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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:47 am Post subject: Seoul Public Schools to Sack NETs |
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It is interesting to note that the Ministry of Education in Seoul are considering sacking their teachers. More information is here: http://www.asiapundits.com/regions/korea/seoul-to-sack-native-english-teachers-an-insiders-perspective/
From this blog post, there is a quote from a source suggesting that NETs earn on average 42m KRW per year, that is 3.5m KRW per month and that this is the reason that NETs of public schools are facing cuts in Seoul.
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| �A native speaker earns on average W42 million a year, and we concluded that they are not effective enough to justify the cost,� a spokesman for the city office of education said. �A survey conducted for us showed that Korean teachers with outstanding English and teaching skills are more effective in the long term.� (http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/12/08/2011120800743.html) |
I believe the spokesman has just quoted the highest earning potential for NETs. I do agree that Koreans with a strong command of English is better placed to teach English but the suggestion that NETs earn 3.5m KRW is not a fair reflection of the majority of NETs in South Korea.
What do you believe? Do you think that NETs of public schools will be cut in Seoul? Do you work for a public school and earn 3.5m KRW per month? |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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I work for a public school in Seoul and I don't earn that much.
I believe by the way that teachers other than high school NET's are getting notice of not getting renewed. Can't discuss in detail but I'm sure it's true. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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There are 2 other threads discussing this particular topic at the moment. One is 3-4 pages and the other is 6-7 pages long.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=214569
Old news already.
To reply to your statement about 42m per year the answer is YES. NETS receive a basic remuneration package (salary and benefits package) that is close to 42m per year per person (actually between 35-44 depending on where on the pay scale the person is).
Particulars were in the other thread but in a nutshell, the benefits package (entrance allowance/airfare (2.6m), settlement (.3m), pension (1.3m), medical (1m), housing (6-8m), severance (2m), interest on key money (1-2m) ) is worth in the range of 15-17 million won over and above the base salary and not including any overtime.
| english puppet wrote: |
I work for a public school in Seoul and I don't earn that much.
I believe by the way that teachers other than high school NET's are getting notice of not getting renewed. Can't discuss in detail but I'm sure it's true. |
As long as you are actually working for the school (not some A/S program) earning a base salary of at least 2.0 million won per month, yes, you are earning that much.
Edited to add link to other thread.
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
There are 2 other threads discussing this particular topic at the moment. One is 3-4 pages and the other is 6-7 pages long.
Old news already.
To reply to your statement about 42m per year the answer is YES. NETS receive a basic remuneration package (salary and benefits package) that is close to 42m per year per person (actually between 35-44 depending on where on the pay scale the person is).
Particulars were in the other thread but in a nutshell, the benefits package (entrance allowance/airfare (2.6m), settlement (.3m), pension (1.3m), medical (1m), housing (6-8m), severance (2m), interest on key money (1-2m) ) is worth in the range of 15-17 million won over and above the base salary and not including any overtime.
| english puppet wrote: |
I work for a public school in Seoul and I don't earn that much.
I believe by the way that teachers other than high school NET's are getting notice of not getting renewed. Can't discuss in detail but I'm sure it's true. |
As long as you are actually working for the school (not some A/S program) earning a base salary of at least 2.0 million won per month, yes, you are earning that much.
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I misread or was thinking he meant 3.5 as in take home pay. I take home +/-
1.9/ month - but no argument that the other benefits add up especially when you cash out for completion, pension pay out etc at the end. It's a good deal for most I would think. |
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lilith63
Joined: 23 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:27 pm Post subject: In response to the remark that other NET positions are being |
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| thinned out. I know that's true too. At the elementary school I worked last I was replaced with a Korean English teacher and that was in Yongin. Rumor then was that South Korea was beginning the overhaul of replacing ALL NETs with Korean teachers. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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You still can't use 42 as a factor. That is silly.
Well, if I pay A, B, C, D, E, etc.... then I too would be spending that much. You could just pay a teacher a higher salary without housing. They could rent a room in an apartment. No, it's not as easy in Korea, and yes I know about their security deposit dilemma. However, to completely write it off spells agenda driven reporting.
Someone with money doesn't like us, and they are backing someone in power to shut us down. Time will tell. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
You still can't use 42 as a factor. That is silly.
Well, if I pay A, B, C, D, E, etc.... then I too would be spending that much. You could just pay a teacher a higher salary without housing. They could rent a room in an apartment. No, it's not as easy in Korea, and yes I know about their security deposit dilemma. However, to completely write it off spells agenda driven reporting.
Someone with money doesn't like us, and they are backing someone in power to shut us down. Time will tell. |
Anti-English Spectrum? Well, it's great to feel loved isn't it? Two million times 12 plus one month severance, then renewal allowance of another 2 million equals 28 million. Rent is probably another 4.5 million for the year. Pension contributions are half paid by you and half by employer, which would be one million. Health insurance not so much but no exact figure on that. Maybe the average net is 35 million a year. A rare handful are more. Not many stay beyond 1 to 3 years.
I'm so sick of hearing about how much we cost. How much do Korean teachers cost after a few years experience? How much do Korean conversation teachers cost? |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
I'm so sick of hearing about how much we cost. |
It's a fair question. The government should be asking itself if the reward justifies the expense. |
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krnpowr
Joined: 08 Dec 2011
Location: Midwest, USA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
I'm so sick of hearing about how much we cost. How much do Korean teachers cost after a few years experience? How much do Korean conversation teachers cost? |
The issue keeps being brought up because it's so pertinent and at the core of the issue. Duh!
Korean teachers are in the room by themselves! You, on the other hand, require another teacher to be in the classroom with you. The day you're in a Korean classroom by yourself and don't require an interpreter is the day you can start whining about others complaining about you being an unnecessary expense.
Would you want to pay extra education costs in your country to support a native Spanish or French teacher to accompany the Spanish and French teachers at your local high school? Exactly... |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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^^
If the system weren't so badly damaged/corrupted and if bonafide teachers were hired, co-teachers would be unnecessary. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Send everyone home. See where that will get them. More money will be spent on private education. The original goal was to kill the hagwons. That has failed miserably, as we all expected. THe govt failed. Not foreigners. They are merely passing the blame to save face. Anyone who knows anything about education knew this was doomed from the start. Too many students, too few contact hours, angry union types wanting it to fail, pay scale deliberately meant to drive away licensed teachers. Need I go on?
People left here will make more in privates, our home countries will be making more off of educating them overseas, and they will suffer more brain drain.
They made their bed and they can sleep in it. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I quite liked the 3 classrooms and teacher's office solely for my co-teacher and me. We had a huge interactive screen in one classroom, 2 computers in the back, 3 computers in the teacher's room (1 just sat there until Christmas time and I put Christmas tunes on it and played it all day), a presentation room with a computer and projector, and a third room with 12 role-play stations. Job well done  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| How many more threads can we have on this topic? |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| I'm so sick of hearing about how much we cost. How much do Korean teachers cost after a few years experience? How much do Korean conversation teachers cost? |
Forget about those questions. I heard that there's a growing number of young public K-teachers (elementary, middle, and high) who are prematurely quitting the work force.
So, it's not just the NETs who are worrying about this situation right now. The whole public school system is collapsing like a dead turkey. |
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krnpowr
Joined: 08 Dec 2011
Location: Midwest, USA
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| bobbybigfoot wrote: |
^^
If the system weren't so badly damaged/corrupted and if bonafide teachers were hired, co-teachers would be unnecessary. |
Okay, so let's say the system is "badly damaged/corrupted", and many in Korea currently believe so. Is the current system rectifying things? Just because kids see an NET [for the most part, unskilled and not bonafide] once a week, are their school experiences and their English education all that much better? |
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