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qwunk89

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: US Tourist Visa For Wife (not Korean) |
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Hi all,
Does anyone have experience with this? I just came back from my wife's visa appointment and her visa was denied on the grounds of "You have not been able to demonstrate sufficiently strong family, social or economic ties to a country outside the US that would compel you to leave the United States after a temporary stay."
My wife is Thai (which I know is a factor), but we have been married for about a year, are a respectable couple and have been living in Korea since February. We just want to go to the US for two weeks in Feb for my sister's wedding. I had all the paperwork and more, including my current contract and contract for next year (March start), flight schedule and wedding invitation.
However, the interviewer didn't really care about the additional supporting documents. Once he found out my wife wasn't working or studying in Korea (working would be illegal on her visa), he basically denied the application. He kept telling me to "Try getting it in Thailand" and after I explained the situation "I can't control your travel plans".
Out of the seven interviewers, we got the one rude, cranky guy (who I was hoping we didn't get while waiting in line); the other six were upbeat and nice. Should we try again? Some people have said it depends on the interviewer. Any similar experiences? Advice?
Thanks. |
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Lazio
Joined: 15 Dec 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:20 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry to hear your troubles getting a visa.
I've applied for a US. tourist visa 3 times. First time I got a refusal with the same reason "lack of .... ties to my home country etc". Second time, a year later I got a 3 months visa and 2 years later I got a 10 years visa which is still valid.
Yes, there is a good chance you end up in front of an @ss..le. As far as I know there is an unwritten rule that you should wait a year with a new application after the refusal otherwise most likely it will be denied again. Unless those ties have gotten stronger (ie. well paying job, children to leave behind, proof about assets etc.)
If there is a refused application in the past, the chances of getting a visa are even slimmer. No doubt they will ask about the previous try and how circumstances changed since than.
I have close relatives living in the US and the second time I applied I had an I-134 (Affidavit of Support) from them. It's not exactly designed for tourist visas but I'm certain that it helped a lot. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: |
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He kept telling me to "Try getting it in Thailand" |
Why isn't this doable? That makes a lot more sense than expecting any third country to meddle in 2 other countries' affairs. What if Iran and North Korea decided it was ok to send people to USA?
The decision should be between Thailand and USA. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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koreatimes wrote: |
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He kept telling me to "Try getting it in Thailand" |
Why isn't this doable? That makes a lot more sense than expecting any third country to meddle in 2 other countries' affairs. What if Iran and North Korea decided it was ok to send people to USA?
The decision should be between Thailand and USA. |
Koreatimes, you never fail to impress me. He was clearly at the US embassy, an establishment that is there in part to issue visas. What, you think the OP went to a Kimmi office asking for a US tourist visa? |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:16 am Post subject: |
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northway wrote: |
koreatimes wrote: |
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He kept telling me to "Try getting it in Thailand" |
Why isn't this doable? That makes a lot more sense than expecting any third country to meddle in 2 other countries' affairs. What if Iran and North Korea decided it was ok to send people to USA?
The decision should be between Thailand and USA. |
Koreatimes, you never fail to impress me. He was clearly at the US embassy, an establishment that is there in part to issue visas. What, you think the OP went to a Kimmi office asking for a US tourist visa? |
OP, are you American? If so, it seems preposterous they'd deny her entry. A US citizen can't bring his wife to his sister's wedding?
As for his suggestion of, "Why don't you do it in Thailand?", first of all, that shouldn't matter, and second he's assuming Thailand should let you in, but he doesn't feel the US should extend the same courtesy to her. A bit racist in my view.
I'd say go back, let them know how outraged you are and how petty the agent was...maybe even shed a few tears for good measure. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: |
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The same situation happened with my buddy and his wife. He had $250,000 in the bank, she owned a business, they applied in Thailand and were still denied. Eventually he bit the bullet, sucked it up, and spent the money on the marriage visa. |
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qwunk89

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies and info. Yes, I am American. Basically, the interviewer was saying that my wife doesn't have any ties to Korea to ensure she will return; apparently, a husband does not qualify. The part I find ridiculous, is that the interviewer didn't even bother to assess our situation; he really just saw my wife was Thai and wasn't working or studying in Korea and that was it, denied. He wouldn't even let me tell him about the wedding or show him I had already signed a contract for next year. He seemed to emphasize we had only been married about a year as well.
Even if we did go to Thailand, I doubt we could show anything different since we currently live in Korea. Besides, it is not possible with my current job.
I have a feeling some of the other interviewers would have approved us after assessing our situation, but we were unlucky and got "that guy". Also, as Lazio pointed out, I guess we can't even try again until next year. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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YOu can re-apply but your chances are not good (other than the chance to throw another visa application fee away).
Your problem is twofold.
1) they want to make sure you are not trying to backdoor her into the states instead of getting the spousal visa.
2) the lack of ties here for HER to leave the states rather than remain behind and become an illegal or try to circumvent visa rules as the spouse of an American.
Your options at this point are slim.
A spousal visa will take about a year (or more).
The chances of a 2nd tourist visa application being refused in the meantime are very high unless you can find someway to demonstrate HER willingness to NOT remain in the states.
You can attend the wedding by yourself, offer greeting on behalf of your wife and complain loudly to anyone who will listen about the unfairness of the USCIS and or consular section of the embassy.
You can complain to your ambassador, congressman and/or senator (squeaky wheels do get grease). The more public you make it the better.
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qwunk89

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks ttompatz,
I had basically come to the same conclusion. No need to respond to my PM. I did just talk with a hometown friend who is in a similar situation and is getting help from the local congressman, and he gave me the inside contact info. So, maybe I'll explore it. Still kind of bummed, but what can we do. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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northway wrote: |
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He kept telling me to "Try getting it in Thailand" |
Why isn't this doable? That makes a lot more sense than expecting any third country to meddle in 2 other countries' affairs. What if Iran and North Korea decided it was ok to send people to USA?
The decision should be between Thailand and USA. |
Koreatimes, you never fail to impress me. He was clearly at the US embassy, an establishment that is there in part to issue visas. What, you think the OP went to a Kimmi office asking for a US tourist visa? |
No, you missed the part about his wife. Try again.
"I just came back from my wife's visa appointment and her visa was denied" |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: |
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No, you missed the part about his wife. Try again.
"I just came back from my wife's visa appointment and her visa was denied" |
Your reading comprehension is seriously lacking. What exactly did I miss? He was at the US embassy trying to get a US tourist visa for his Thai wife. Why wouldn't the US embassy be able to provide a visa for the United States? If I want a tourist visa to China do I need to go back to the States to get one?
You do this so frequently that I have to wonder if you're just trolling by playing dumb. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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You do this so frequently that I have to wonder if you're just trolling by playing dumb. |
You got me. I have this all orchestrated out. I set up the schedule for workers at the US Embassy to match the time when the original poster and his wife would enter. I knew that these trustworthy comrades would deny them the tourist visa. Furthermore, I knew that they would post here.
I am going to have to troll elsewhere. You not only use the trite label of "troll", but you are so columbo in your attempt to troll me.
Cudos. Well done.
For the original poster, I'll repeat what ttompatz stated:
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The chances of a 2nd tourist visa application being refused in the meantime are very high unless you can find someway to demonstrate HER willingness to NOT remain in the states |
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You can complain to your ambassador, congressman and/or senator (squeaky wheels do get grease). The more public you make it the better. |
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northway
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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koreatimes wrote: |
You got me. I have this all orchestrated out. I set up the schedule for workers at the US Embassy to match the time when the original poster and his wife would enter. I knew that these trustworthy comrades would deny them the tourist visa. Furthermore, I knew that they would post here. |
Again, you clearly didn't grasp that he was at the US embassy:
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That makes a lot more sense than expecting any third country to meddle in 2 other countries' affairs. What if Iran and North Korea decided it was ok to send people to USA?
The decision should be between Thailand and USA. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Again, you clearly didn't grasp that he was at the US embassy:
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How do you know? What slant are you using? Why do posters feel they know what I am thinking and can make false conclusions so readily?
1) they want to make sure you are not trying to backdoor her into the states instead of getting the spousal visa.
This isn't that hard folks. You can be at the US Embassy. Geesh. |
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Colorado
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Location: Public School with too much time on my hands.
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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My wife is also Thai. We got her first tourist visa in Thailand with the help of my congressman. Her second and third tourist visas were acquired in Korea using my contract as her reason to return to Korea. |
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