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TheUrbanMyth
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ddeubel
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The Calgary school board already places teachers in SMOE as part of a broad exchange program. You'd be surprised how many there are in Seoul, taking a year's leave in this program. It started 3 years ago.
Korea is also a strong option for many of the B.Ed teachers I teach. Many more than the norm wanting to venture overseas this year.
DD
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silkhighway
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: |
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You gave me a good scare when I read that, but for different reasons than more teachers going to Korea.
However check the article's date:
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| Posted: Jun 15, 2011 8:38 AM MT |
And check the requirements to have their experience count:
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| "It doesn't count for their service with the CBE, but as long as the experience that they're obtaining overseas requires a teacher to have certification, then it counts in their years of experience when they return," said the board's Karen Demassi, who works in human resources. |
I have also heard stories of teachers who went to Calgary and transitioned out of teaching into other jobs because the labour market is hot, and teaching was not very lucrative. Of the 172 teachers cut, how many quit teaching, switched to substituting, or looked for another position with the Catholic school-board or with charter schools?
The Calgary School Board continues to recruit in Eastern Canada, so maybe this issue has been resolved. Whatever is happening, I think any damage to the Korean teaching market would have been done already.
Much more concerning overall for people currently teaching in Korea is that the market for teachers across Urban Canada is extremely oversupplied and yet universities churn out B.Eds as if they had jobs waiting for them when they don't. Even jobs in Northern Canada are becoming more competitive. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
You gave me a good scare when I read that, but for different reasons than more teachers going to Korea.
However check the article's date:
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| Posted: Jun 15, 2011 8:38 AM MT |
And check the requirements to have their experience count:
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| "It doesn't count for their service with the CBE, but as long as the experience that they're obtaining overseas requires a teacher to have certification, then it counts in their years of experience when they return," said the board's Karen Demassi, who works in human resources. |
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Well I'm not sure how the article's date is relevant...that's only six months ago...hardly enough time for the impact to be felt. People have to sell houses/give notice for apts...gather the relevant documents, I think we'll have to wait another year before the "all clear" is sounded. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well I'm not sure how the article's date is relevant...that's only six months ago...hardly enough time for the impact to be felt. People have to sell houses/give notice for apts...gather the relevant documents, I think we'll have to wait another year before the "all clear" is sounded. |
Ha..I hope you're just trying to keep this thread alive. 200 teachers is nothing. They're basically being told there's jobs in Asia so go there for a year..but for reasons I stated and more, very few will actually do that.
You want to really scare us? Find out how many teachers are being certified every year in Ontario, BC, and Nova Scotia and compare it to the amount of teachers retiring. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
The Calgary school board already places teachers in SMOE as part of a broad exchange program. You'd be surprised how many there are in Seoul, taking a year's leave in this program. It started 3 years ago.
Korea is also a strong option for many of the B.Ed teachers I teach. Many more than the norm wanting to venture overseas this year.
DD
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Something similar is brewing up in Ontario. Asia is a normal outlet for people who cannot find teaching positions. The good part: this influx will be made up in part of qualified educators.
By the way, I initially went to Korea in 1997 on a sabbatical of one year from my full time teaching position in Ontario. Turned into 11 years and a career expansion! Who knew.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Well I'm not sure how the article's date is relevant...that's only six months ago...hardly enough time for the impact to be felt. People have to sell houses/give notice for apts...gather the relevant documents, I think we'll have to wait another year before the "all clear" is sounded. |
Ha..I hope you're just trying to keep this thread alive. 200 teachers is nothing. They're basically being told there's jobs in Asia so go there for a year..but for reasons I stated and more, very few will actually do that.
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| You want to really scare us? Find out how many teachers are being certified every year in Ontario, BC, and Nova Scotia and compare it to the amount of teachers retiring |
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Good idea silk! Go ahead and compare that for us! Its will e interesting (serious here) as we (public sector) hear of this retirement wave all the time and yet whats happening is that they are replacing 3 retirees with one hire or promotion so leaning out the public service through attrition.
Schools may do the same, what do you think? |
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silkhighway
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| I'll let TUM do that since he started this thread. I'll just say it's not pretty. |
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jlb
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I have an old high school friend whi is a teacher in Alberta, plus she has a Masters degree.. She hasn't been able to get full time work with any board in the Edmonton area and it's even hard to get on sub boards. She got on with a couple though, but it's not really enough to live on. She's currently living in her parent's basement.
I tried to convince her to come to Asia with the aim to get on at a uni but she had a million and one excuses. i fail to understand. Living in my parent's basement at 32 years old, hoping for part-time work is my idea of a nightmare. |
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silkhighway
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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I have an old high school friend whi is a teacher in Alberta, plus she has a Masters degree.. She hasn't been able to get full time work with any board in the Edmonton area and it's even hard to get on sub boards. She got on with a couple though, but it's not really enough to live on. She's currently living in her parent's basement.
I tried to convince her to come to Asia with the aim to get on at a uni but she had a million and one excuses. i fail to understand. Living in my parent's basement at 32 years old, hoping for part-time work is my idea of a nightmare. |
Not knowing your friend, an anecdote like this doesn't phase me. Lots of new teachers are too fussy. They basically graduate from teachers college, go drop off a couple of resumes at the schools they did their practicum at and call it a day waiting for a sub call. Another thing in my experiences, is that a lot of people who go into teaching are not the most ambitious people to begin with and they fall into teaching as a default "I don't know what to do my life so I'll go into teaching". They're not likely to go teach in a rural area or abroad.
I'm not saying it's a picnic for those out pounding pavement, you just have to take personal anecdotes with a grain of salt. The thing is that with the teaching oversupply in Canada a lot of teachers who really want to teach will be going into teachers' college with the mindset that they're going "up North" or to Asia, as ddeubel mentioned. That's the threat to anyone in Korea for the longhaul, and I don't think that trend is going to slow down anytime soon. |
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jlb
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, my friend is way too picky. She only wants to teach Home Ec, which is not exactly an in demand major to say the least. And the, "I couldn't possibly leave my family" and go teach in rural Saskatchewan excuse seems pretty weak to me. |
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Big Mac
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So much for my idea of looking at Alberta for jobs!
I'm in Ontario right now. It's impossible here. I graduated from my teaching program in Australia last December. So I've been looking for a year. I've applied for hundreds of jobs all over Ontario with 0 responses, and tried to get on as many supply lists as I could in my area. I managed to get on one waiting list for supply teaching, but that's all. I've taught 2.5 days so far this year (they can only call me when no one is available on the supply list). I'm told it could take two or three years of waiting just to get on the supply list. Five to seven years to get a job or contract.
If it wasn't for the fact that I've already spent five years of my life in Korea, I'd be looking at that as an option. But I'd really like to move beyond Korea.
I went to an international school job fair earlier this year. Most wouldn't even look at me until I have two years of certified experience. My time in Korea was irrelevant to them. I got a job at my prac school in Australia, but that fell apart when I couldn't get Education Queensland to sponsor my visa. Teaching English online is what's keeping me going right now (at $9 a lesson). I'm spending my time and money upgrading my qualifications, hoping that might put me ahead of the crowd.
I don't want Korea to be a crutch, so I'm trying not to even think about it. But it's beginning to look like I might end up in a factory or some low-end job as the only alternative. It's definitely hard times for teachers here! |
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silkhighway
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Hey Big Mac, what's your teaching area? There are jobs available if you're willing to go to a rural area in the Prairies, or go up north. If you have an "in-demand" (it's all relative) specialty, there's still a chance for an urban area as well but Ontario, BC, and Nova Scotia markets are dead. As well, if you're under 30 England is recruiting. Check out TimePlan
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Big Mac
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi Silkhighway,
I'm willing to go anywhere really. I've even applied for some jobs in Nunavut, but never got a response.
I'm certified in Ontario for Primary, Junior and Intermediate English. I have Special Education Part 1 and Reading Part 1 as well. This spring I'm going to work toward getting the credits I need to do the Intermediate and Senior History ABQ courses and Senior English.
I just put together an application package for the Edmonton and Calgary boards. I'm going to send my stuff to the board in Regina as well. I've applied to some of the boards in Newfoundland too. If you know of any other boards that are hiring, please let me know and I'll look into it! Thanks!
Oh, and I'm over 30, so England is out. I've already explored that option. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Check out Grand Prairie and Fort MacMurray's schoolboards. I don't want to sound mean, but I wouldn't even bother doing those courses to upgrade until you're comfortably in the system. You don't even know if another province will recognize them, and in any case, English and History are not in-demand subjects. |
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